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Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)


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Homos are abnormal perverts who are born that way....as are some unfortunates with congenital defects.

There are some that become that way when brainwashed by the perverts that adopt them.
Apparently you don't base your opinions on reality.
 
I'm not saying discriminate --- I'm saying call it something else other than the word "marriage". Then we're all set. I can't make it any simpler and really can't explain any more than I already have. Either you can read, comprehend and process my view, or you cannot.

What real effect does calling it marriage have on you?
 
Just as policies to promote 'equality' for African-Americans in work, politics, etc., by hiring and/or electing African-Americans because they're African-American is unfair and fails to lead to equality, so are policies unfair and unsuccessful that promote gay marriage.

The policy of this country should be to 'equalize' rights for gays and straights alike.
The fallacy in this country is marriage is that great equalizer, when the great equalizer(s) are: equal ability for both unions to have children, equal ability of both unions to take advantage of tax deductions, and equal ability of both unions to share debts (and fortunes).
 
1.)Just as policies to promote 'equality' for African-Americans in work, politics, etc., by hiring and/or electing African-Americans because they're African-American is unfair and fails to lead to equality, so are policies unfair and unsuccessful that promote gay marriage.

2.)The policy of this country should be to 'equalize' rights for gays and straights alike.
3.) The fallacy in this country is marriage is that great equalizer, when the great equalizer(s) are: equal ability for both unions to have children, equal ability of both unions to take advantage of tax deductions, and equal ability of both unions to share debts (and fortunes).

1.) what policies are those?
2.) thats what we are working to
3.) nobody believes that they just want to end discrimination and grant equality, there will still be homophobes just like there are still racists.
 
What real effect does calling it marriage have on you?

What effect does calling a same-sex union have on me? Would be like this simile: calling a Boston Red Sox fan a New York Yankee baseball fan. And the gov't is determining that certain religion's beliefs are inconsequential.

What real effect does calling a same-sex union a union have on you?
 
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1.) what policies are those?
2.) thats what we are working to
3.) nobody believes that they just want to end discrimination and grant equality, there will still be homophobes just like there are still racists.

I've tangled with you before. Just look at what used to be California's union legislation before California's same-sex legislation overtook it. In that union legislation, for example, unions had the ability to adopt, and share debts and fortunes.

Were unions (same-sex, for example,) deprived of advantages of marriages? Only the word, marriage was deprived.
 
What effect do calling a same-sex union have on me? Would be like this simile: calling a Boston Red Sox fan a New York Yankee baseball fan.
1.)And the gov't is determining that certain religion's beliefs are inconsequential.
2.)What real effect does calling a same-sex union a union have on you?

legal marriage has nothing to do with religious marriage this straw man always false

because thats factually not equal
 
1.)I've tangled with you before. Just look at what used to be California's union legislation before California's same-sex legislation overtook it. In that union legislation, for example, unions had the ability to adopt, and share debts and fortunes.

well i have no clue who you are, i must of destroyed your posts quick.

ill ask again what policies are those
 
Hello everyone, the other thread reached almost 2000 posts and 192 pages!!!!
It had to be closed because at around 2000 post it becomes taxing on the server, thanks independent_thinker2002

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Alright heres the most current update and lets have fun!
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how many sound, reasonable, logical, non-bias, non-selfish, non-arrogant, non-hypercritical, non anti-american reason are there to "Stop" gay marriage

GOOD REASONS: 0

No, not right to stop it. There is no reasonable argument against it as you have suggested. Frankly, I'm tired of hearing about this issue. If it isn't a common place right soon, it will be when my generation takes the reigns of power.
 
well i have no clue who you are, i must of destroyed your posts quick.

ill ask again what policies are those

What policies what were? What are you referring to? If of some post of mine, please reply with pertinent info of mine.
 
What real effect does calling it marriage have on you?

The premise that something must have an effect on my personally is incorrect. Calling a dog a cat and a cat a dog has no effect on me either but that doesn't mean it's correct or accurate to do so.


Way to necro a post from 2011 guys. WTG! :lamo
 
Were unions (same-sex, for example,) deprived of advantages of marriages? Only the word, marriage was deprived.

yes they factually were because theres no other way to grant the 1200 plus rights granted especially the federal ones at that time and we all know equal but separate was ruled not equal

so the only FACTUAL answer is yes
 
What effect do calling a same-sex union have on me? Would be like this simile: calling a Boston Red Sox fan a New York Yankee baseball fan. And the gov't is determining that certain religion's beliefs are inconsequential.

What real effect does calling a same-sex union a union have on you?
None, but then you'd have to call hetero marriages unions as well.
 
The premise that something must have an effect on my personally is incorrect. Calling a dog a cat and a cat a dog has no effect on me either but that doesn't mean it's correct or accurate to do so.

actually since the discussion is about equality, rights and discrimination its correct.
what doesnt matter is your opinion of thinking its wrong based on more opinion.
 
No, not right to stop it. There is no reasonable argument against it as you have suggested. Frankly, I'm tired of hearing about this issue. If it isn't a common place right soon, it will be when my generation takes the reigns of power.

I agree i give it 5 years max
 
What policies what were? What are you referring to? If of some post of mine, please reply with pertinent info of mine.

i qouted it and numbered it im sure you can figure it out
 
The act of homosexual sex is wrong.......It goes against everything God teaches.

If God is love and teaches love, then how is it wrong for two gay men to love each other?
 
The premise that something must have an effect on my personally is incorrect. Calling a dog a cat and a cat a dog has no effect on me either but that doesn't mean it's correct or accurate to do so.


Way to necro a post from 2011 guys. WTG! :lamo
No. It applies here because it doesn't impact you or your marriage. However it does impact same sex couples because you're telling them they're not equal. You're concerned about accuracy? Well then, why not make it fair, call them both unions since it is accurate to do so.
 
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I agree i give it 5 years max

Honestly, philosophically I believe that they already have this right as it is unalienable. What's the quote? Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing...after they have exhausted all other possibilities.- Winston Churchill

I also believe government incentives for marriage generally should be abolished. It's not like we have a shortage of babies or something, and these are the chief arguments by reasonable people with an objection to our position.
 
Like I posted before, equalize the rights between unions and marriages and then there'll be equal rights. When the gov't forces every union to be a marriage, this goes against the religion portion of the first amendment (gov't shall not set up a 'state' religion).

Let me explain: when religions, who don't agree with same-sex marriage, are denied tax breaks by the gov't because they won't allow a same-sex union to be performed at their premises, this is a violation of the religion portion of the first amendment: gov't shall not set up a gov't religion.
 
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1.)Honestly, philosophically I believe that they already have this right as it is unalienable. What's the quote? Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing...after they have exhausted all other possibilities.- Winston Churchill

I also believe government incentives for marriage generally should be abolished. It's not like we have a shortage of babies or something, and these are the chief arguments by reasonable people with an objection to our position.

1.) i agree on both counts unfortunately.
I do think its very very sad that we are going through this in american in 2013, its really ashame

BUT on a brighter side if you would have asked me 10-15 years ago i would of said ill never see gay rights in my lifetime, that probably only my daughter will see it, now that's not the case

with the fall of DADT, DOMA and the IRS ruling its inevitable. 13 states and DC have it and the best part is the states that banned it are actually going to make it easier.

2.) i dont at all i like that the government protects the contract and rights of my family. Now if people want to adjust the tax code or something thats fine but theres tons of other rights that need to stay and need protected.
 
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1.)Like I posted before, equalize the rights between unions and marriages and then there'll be equal rights.
2.)When the gov't forces every union to be a marriage, this goes against the religion portion of the first amendment (gov't shall not set up a 'state' religion).

1.) factually false. equal but separate will never be equal and precedence already makes them unequal
2.) also factually false as legal marriage has nothing to do with religion, your argument will always fail

please stick to facts
 
Ok you're concerned about accuracy. Well then, why not make it fair, call them both unions since it is accurate to do so.

Changing a name of something that already is correct and accurate - for what purpose? Fair to who? Going back to my analogy, you want me to agree to change the name of "dog" and "cat" to something else because you deem it unfair not to, no. And the last time I checked, men and women are not the same, nor are same sex unions and heterosexual marriage. I'll refer you to the folllowing: LINK
 
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