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Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

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Patria Antiqua said:
What???

Language changes over time???

Damn liberals making progress.
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It's more like progress happening, and more liberal persons accepting it while more conservative people resist it.

I'm sure that a conservative person or two over the years has come up with an idea that was then rejected by the more conservatives - and accepted by more liberal persons.

What I'm trying to say is that progress is not a thing exclusive to more liberal persons.

At least in the political sense of the term.

If you're talking the literal sense, then you would be more correct.
 
The Mark said:
It's more like progress happening, and more liberal persons accepting it while more conservative people resist it.

I'm sure that a conservative person or two over the years has come up with an idea that was then rejected by the more conservatives - and accepted by more liberal persons.

What I'm trying to say is that progress is not a thing exclusive to more liberal persons.

At least in the political sense of the term.

If you're talking the literal sense, then you would be more correct.
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Aye.

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The Mark said:
It's more like progress happening, and more liberal persons accepting it while more conservative people resist it.

I'm sure that a conservative person or two over the years has come up with an idea that was then rejected by the more conservatives - and accepted by more liberal persons.

What I'm trying to say is that progress is not a thing exclusive to more liberal persons.

At least in the political sense of the term.

If you're talking the literal sense, then you would be more correct.
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I agree with you.. but it's mostly the conservatives who are head strong against it, but a lot of liberals are not fighting for it either. Well, the tea party seems strongly against it, but the log cabin republicans and many libertarians support gay rights..

But I think it will be legal eventually.. it will just take time.. Most younger generations are more open about it than older generations, so hopefully we can put it behind us soon.. I hope it won't be an issue like abortion, where people will be outright trying to undo and overturn legislation.
 
SheWolf said:
I agree with you.. but it's mostly the conservatives who are head strong against it, but a lot of liberals are not fighting for it either. Well, the tea party seems strongly against it, but the log cabin republicans and many libertarians support gay rights..

But I think it will be legal eventually.. it will just take time.. Most younger generations are more open about it than older generations, so hopefully we can put it behind us soon.. I hope it won't be an issue like abortion, where people will be outright trying to undo and overturn legislation.
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With respect, I think the time for waiting for progress to come along slowly is over. It's time for protests, and riots, and boycotts, and any other extreme method that fights for equality.

I'm rather sick of the complacent conservative body sitting around and telling us about what the majority wants. If the "polite" means of action fail, then it is time for impolite means.
 
Patria Antiqua said:
What that tells you is that anti-gay bigots are almost as tenacious in their prejudice and superiority as the slave-holding class of the Old South.

Until those people die off, there will be no equality.
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I am going to become a very liberal person and marry my horse.
 
Patria Antiqua said:
With respect, I think the time for waiting for progress to come along slowly is over. It's time for protests, and riots, and boycotts, and any other extreme method that fights for equality.

I'm rather sick of the complacent conservative body sitting around and telling us about what the majority wants. If the "polite" means of action fail, then it is time for impolite means.
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well that happened in CA... btw, does anybody know when it's going to reach the supreme court?
 
Patria Antiqua said:
With respect, I think the time for waiting for progress to come along slowly is over. It's time for protests, and riots, and boycotts, and any other extreme method that fights for equality.

I'm rather sick of the complacent conservative body sitting around and telling us about what the majority wants. If the "polite" means of action fail, then it is time for impolite means.
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News Flash!!! The majority always get what they want.
 
Red Crow said:
I am going to become a very liberal person and marry my horse.
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two things
1 you can already do that, it just wont be recognized by law and its funny no one cries about that fact
2 a horse is not a consenting human adult which is the topic here

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Patria Antiqua said:
You're a West Virginia liberal?
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I was just kidding... :) I am an Apache Indian and I am from Arizona. No.... us Indians don't believe in that kind of stuff, we still stick to our old traditions.
 
Red Crow said:
News Flash!!! The majority always get what they want.
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Wrong! many civil rights and discrimination laws have been passed without majority

this as already been posted but for example:

interracial marriage

in 1948, about 90% of American Adults opposed interracial marriage when the Supreme Court of California legalized it, and California became the first state that allowed loving, committed interracial couples to marry.

and then not until 1967(19 years later), about 72% were opposed to interracial marriage. This was the year when the U.S. Supreme Court was legalized interracial marriage everywhere in the U.S.

and then not until 1991 (24 years later), those adults opposed to interracial marriage became a minority for the first time

nice try but simply not true

thank god progress is made
 
Centrist77 said:
two things
1 you cn already do that, it just wont be recognized by law and its funny no one cries about that fact
2 a horse is not a consenting adult which is the topic here

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How about an 18 year old mare??? :lamo
 
Red Crow said:
I am going to become a very liberal person and marry my horse.
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I hate arguments like that... Gay people are HUMANS. HUMAN BEINGS. not horses, not dogs, not animals... so there is no reason to think allowing them to marry would in some way be a victory for people into bestiality. Not to mention bestiality is considered animal abuse and is legal.

Good luck trying to figure out how a horse can legally sign a marriage contract btw
 
Red Crow said:
I was just kidding... :) I am an Apache Indian and I am from Arizona. No.... us Indians don't believe in that kind of stuff, we still stick to our old traditions.
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not saying this to YOU just saying in general

lots of people like to stick to old traditions, gay relationships are documented back to AD

also allowing gay marriage does NOTHING to any person sticking with their OWN traditions
 
Centrist77 said:
Wrong! many civil rights and discrimination laws have been passed without majority

this as already been posted but for example:

interracial marriage

in 1948, about 90% of American Adults opposed interracial marriage when the Supreme Court of California legalized it, and California became the first state that allowed loving, committed interracial couples to marry.

and then not until 1967(19 years later), about 72% were opposed to interracial marriage. This was the year when the U.S. Supreme Court was legalized interracial marriage everywhere in the U.S.

and then not until 1991 (24 years later), those adults opposed to interracial marriage became a minority for the first time

nice try but simply not true

thank god progress is made
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Laws are passed and approved because of the majority. This is a democracy and the majority wins. Don't worry.. if the majority says you can marry your boyfriend, you will.
 
Centrist77 said:
not saying this to YOU just saying in general

lots of people like to stick to old traditions, gay relationships are documented back to AD

also allowing gay marriage does NOTHING to any person sticking with their OWN traditions
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The time will come when everybody's tradition will be to marry another person of the same sex, but this is not traditional, not yet.

Wait till the court ok's it. Look what happened in Calif., it didn't pass.
 
Red Crow said:
Laws are passed and approved because of the majority. This is a democracy and the majority wins. Don't worry.. if the majority says you can marry your boyfriend, you will.
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WRONG AGAIN, already gave you an example

guess you should read it slower because you obviously didn't and Im not gay, im straight, im just not retarded enough to think its MY business who two consenting human adults can marry. Its its none of my buisness and I could never be that unamerican, selfish, pompous and hypocritical to think it was
 
Red Crow said:
The time will come when everybody's tradition will be to marry another person of the same sex, but this is not traditional, not yet.

Wait till the court ok's it. Look what happened in Calif., it didn't pass.
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according to YOU
you obviously dont understand reality
 
Red Crow said:
Laws are passed and approved because of the majority. This is a democracy and the majority wins. Don't worry.. if the majority says you can marry your boyfriend, you will.
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If this were true then conservatives wouldn't bitch about activist judges so much.
 
SheWolf said:
I hate arguments like that... Gay people are HUMANS. HUMAN BEINGS. not horses, not dogs, not animals... so there is no reason to think allowing them to marry would in some way be a victory for people into bestiality. Not to mention bestiality is considered animal abuse and is legal.

Good luck trying to figure out how a horse can legally sign a marriage contract btw
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I wil pay off the judge. :lamo Just kidding... geee people get so serious about this gay stuff.

Me.. I don't care who marries who. Just leave me alone; live your life and let me live mine.
 
Centrist77 said:
according to YOU
you obviously dont understand reality
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The reality is that the majority rules and when the majority votes and wins, then people will be able to merry their own kind in Calif. otherwise they have to wait, that's all I am saying.
 
Red Crow said:
I wil pay off the judge. :lamo Just kidding... geee people get so serious about this gay stuff.

Me.. I don't care who marries who. Just leave me alone; live your life and let me live mine.
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That is where I am coming from too.. I just really don't like that argument.
 
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