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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i only rendered an opinion, i will not render anymore on the details of that subject, becuase it does not matter what i think, at all...unless a person or persons, are using the issue of sexuality in the public arena by governments, if they use it in their own persona arenas of life,...so be it.

    anything that violates the foundering principles of our nation, i am against, .....and many people today want to violate them to meet their own agenda's.....
    One of the founding principles was that a black man was only 3/5ths of a person another was that women can not vote. Those principles I do not mind violating.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you mean the web site?

    i am currently looking at many things...ancient biblical Greek language , constitutional writings, comparing them with the constitution itself, so i am doing many things, and i drop off to discuss issues with my wife over things, which come up.
    No, you say you can't afford private school I say try harder and you disappear, conveniently every time i say that.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    One of the founding principles was that a black man was only 3/5ths of a person another was that women can not vote. Those principles I do not mind violating.
    3/5 ths of a person has nothing to do with race, it has to do with representation in the house of representatives.

    the SOUTH wanted slaves to be counted as 1 for representation, becuase they are people, .......the NORTH then stated if they are people, they cannot be slaves, to which the SOUTH stated they were then property, this situation also had to do with taxes collected. the the SOUTH did not want to pay taxes for a whole person.

    if slaves were not counted as 3/5 ths as the NORTH wanted, then they would have been counted as 1 person, and this would have given the SOUTH, great amounts of representation in the house of representatives, in essence they would have dominated the house and controlled it....there would have been no civil war, and slavery would have lasted longer.

    so by counting them as 3/5 ths of a person, the founders knew what they were doing to shorten slavery, and in fact the constitution itself ends the importation of slavery by Jan 1 1808.

    voting.....is not a right, if you read the early founders voting is a privilege by the states, if you own land and pay taxes, you can vote.....the founders wanted people who had a stake in america, slaves and woman are not mentioned in this issue, and are not denied in their writings.

    women in that age were subservient to there fathers, and then there husbands, its been that way back to roman times.......in roman times ......a father could kill his daughter or son, for no reason.....

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    No, you say you can't afford private school I say try harder and you disappear, conveniently every time i say that.
    i told you why.....i am doing many things, even leaving my desk at times.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    the solution is really simple


    schools teach civility and they teach kids that different people: men, women, race, sexual orientations, disabilities, learning abilities, different economic background, different religions, family make ups etc all exists and we are to be civil with eachother and not to judge based on these things. This is not morality being taught this is common sense and civility.


    if an intelligent honest civil education of this nature bothers some the options are plentiful. Along with the normal responsibilities of being a good parent, you can simply be aware of your child education and also teach them what you want at home. THis is typical standard behavior.

    If one is to bigoted or uneducated or uncaring parent to do so the solutions are plentiful. Home schooling, private schooling, charter schooling etc

    SOME private schools cost additional money, charter schools and home schooling does not.

    acting like this is something else is simply dishonest and gets destroyed by facts and reality.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i told you why.....i am doing many things, even leaving my desk at times.
    And conveniently when you are trapped. Nice.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    And conveniently when you are trapped. Nice.
    how does try harder, make me feel trapped?

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    3/5 ths of a person has nothing to do with race, it has to do with representation in the house of representatives.

    the SOUTH wanted slaves to be counted as 1 for representation, becuase they are people, .......the NORTH then stated if they are people, they cannot be slaves, to which the SOUTH stated they were then property, this situation also had to do with taxes collected. the the SOUTH did not want to pay taxes for a whole person.

    if slaves were not counted as 3/5 ths as the NORTH wanted, then they would have been counted as 1 person, and this would have given the SOUTH, great amounts of representation in the house of representatives, in essence they would have dominated the house and controlled it....there would have been no civil war, and slavery would have lasted longer.

    so by counting them as 3/5 ths of a person, the founders knew what they were doing to shorten slavery, and in fact the constitution itself ends the importation of slavery by Jan 1 1808.

    voting.....is not a right, if you read the early founders voting is a privilege by the states, if you own land and pay taxes, you can vote.....the founders wanted people who had a stake in america, slaves and woman are not mentioned in this issue, and are not denied in their writings.

    women in that age were subservient to there fathers, and then there husbands, its been that way back to roman times.......in roman times ......a father could kill his daughter or son, for no reason.....

    Then go live in the 18th century

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Then go live in the 18th century

    so are you telling me, you would have counted them as a a full person,and given the slavery south control of the house?

    voting is not a right.....even whites could not vote, in reading early american courts cases whites sued becuase they could no longer vote, the court stated to them, you dont have land, and you dont pay taxes...[remember no income tax then]....so you cant vote.....[so some whites could not vote either].

    also their were white slaves in america to, not just blacks.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    so are you telling me, you would have counted them as a a full person,and given the slavery south control of the house?

    voting is not a right.....even whites could not vote, in reading early american courts cases whites sued becuase they could no longer vote, the court stated to them, you dont have land, and you dont pay taxes...[remember no income tax then]....so you cant vote.....[so some whites could not vote either].

    also their were white slaves in america to, not just blacks.

    Thanxs for pointing out some more founding principles I do not mind violating

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