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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by surrealistpenguin View Post
    I think I'd rather see these questions answered: 1)Is it right that marriage is a legal issue in the first place? Why should the government involve itself in the private lives of citizens? 2.)And why should married couples - gay or straight - have to pay less tax than unmarried people? 3.)Doesn't this discriminate across the board against unmarried people?

    1 yes that precedence has already been sent
    2 irrelevant to the debate at hand thats a different subject
    3 no because single is ONE group whether your gay straight black white etc
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    you were, you admited that you are a hypocrite and want to discriminate thanks but I already knew that

    sorry I choose not to discriminate against my fellow americans
    I'm a hypocrite why? And this has nothing to do with discrimination... you want to make it about that... that's your problem. I just want another word.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I'm a hypocrite why? And this has nothing to do with discrimination... you want to make it about that... that's your problem. I just want another word.
    thats easy because you just admitted that you want it your way and forget eveyone else, you dont want EVERYONE to get what they want you want everyone to get what YOU want = hypocrite

    yes it is about discrimination. You want to discriminate against gay couples plain and simple. A new word is not needed the word marriages already applies.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    What else is it that we post on an internet forum... other than "opinion". The law changes... and the law you are claiming is only in a handful of states. Being direct and answering honestly isn't smugness - it's being direct. But I like it when you think I'm smug... I'll continue to be. And it so happens voters who elect the lawmakers agree with my view - especially in California. The judge, especially activist one's, will reflect what the lawmakers tell them to reflect. Laws also are not permanent. What is today, is gone tomorrow.


    However... your little tantrums can be avoided if you just call gay unions something else. Then, I don't think the people or the lawmakers or the activist judges would have to be bothered. Stubborn and ignorant people who want their cake and eat it too usually get neither... which is what I'm pulling for in your case.
    Actually, the voters who elect the officials voted FOR gay marriage (Schwarzenegger vetoed because there was a case in the courts, saying that the courts needed to define the constiutionality of the law). Only in direct democracy (mob ideaology) was it overturned.

    Direct Democracy (NOT in the Constitution anywhere) is awful. It attracts special interest groups (like the Mormon Church) to fund campaigns and it leads to lies (like schools would be forced to teach about gay marriage). And it leads to a state where people want all the benefits they can get from government without paying for it.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    1 yes that precedence has already been sent
    2 irrelevant to the debate at hand thats a different subject
    3 no because single is ONE group whether your gay straight black white etc
    1. So? That doesn't mean it shouldn't be questioned.
    2. It's not irrelevant - one of the main arguments of the pro-gay marriage people is that having straight-only marriages discriminates against gay couples partly because they can't receive the same tax breaks as straight couples.
    3. I'm not sure what you mean here, you'll have to go into more detail.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by surrealistpenguin View Post
    1. So? That doesn't mean it shouldn't be questioned.
    2. It's not irrelevant - one of the main arguments of the pro-gay marriage people is that having straight-only marriages discriminates against gay couples partly because they can't receive the same tax breaks as straight couples.
    3. I'm not sure what you mean here, you'll have to go into more detail.
    1.) question it all you want its a different debate, doesnt change anything for this debate.
    2.) yes it is because with or without the tax breaks etc it has to be EQUAL, so if straights get puppy dogs, gays get them to, if its taxes then its taxes, if its rights to property then its that or a free life time supply of love lube LOL it doesnt matter and is irralvant because what ever it is it needs to be EQUAL and that is where the discrimination comes into play, its currently NOT equal
    3.) singles are a group and basically treated the same, can a gay guy and a straight guy get the same tax breaks? YES
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    1.) question it all you want its a different debate, doesnt change anything for this debate.
    2.) yes it is because with or without the tax breaks etc it has to be EQUAL, so if straights get puppy dogs, gays get them to, if its taxes then its taxes, if its rights to property then its that or a free life time supply of love lube LOL it doesnt matter and is irralvant because what ever it is it needs to be EQUAL and that is where the discrimination comes into play, its currently NOT equal
    3.) singles are a group and basically treated the same, can a gay guy and a straight guy get the same tax breaks? YES
    1. It is part of the same debate. It's why I voted 'no' in your poll.
    2. Yes but my point is is that this discriminates against non-married people. It's not equality at all, it's inequality.
    3. Yes, but why should they get tax breaks by virtue of being married?

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    thats easy because you just admitted that you want it your way and forget eveyone else, you dont want EVERYONE to get what they want you want everyone to get what YOU want = hypocrite
    Ah... you don't know what "hypocrite" means. Now it makes sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    yes it is about discrimination. You want to discriminate against gay couples plain and simple. A new word is not needed the word marriages already applies.
    So because I don't want the word "marriage" used describing gay couples but agree they should be allowed to have some sort of union and have full rights/priveledges just like a heterosexual couple, I'm discrminating against them... you also don't know what the word "discrimination" means either. That and you're insanely ignorant of the world and blinded by... i dunno... some sort of brainwashing.

    Either way... here's my final word.... use a "different word". The rest is all fine. Let me know when you beccome less boring... oh and can use a dictonary. ta ta.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by surrealistpenguin View Post
    1. It is part of the same debate. It's why I voted 'no' in your poll.
    2. Yes but my point is is that this discriminates against non-married people. It's not equality at all, it's inequality.
    3. Yes, but why should they get tax breaks by virtue of being married?
    1.) no its not it has no bearing LMAO currently marriage is a law issue DONE, the goverments involvemtn is another debate thats just common sense
    2.) if thats the way you feel again thats another debate start a thread called should singles get the same tax breaks has couples, again no bearing
    3.) doesnt matter to this debate see reason 2, like i said start a new thread asking that LMAO
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Ah... you don't know what "hypocrite" means. Now it makes sense.
    I know exactly what it means and you are one and thats a fact you already proved it


    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So because I don't want the word "marriage" used describing gay couples but agree they should be allowed to have some sort of union and have full rights/priveledges just like a heterosexual couple, I'm discrminating against them... you also don't know what the word "discrimination" means either. That and you're insanely ignorant of the world and blinded by... i dunno... some sort of brainwashing.

    Either way... here's my final word.... use a "different word". The rest is all fine. Let me know when you become less boring... oh and can use a dictonary. ta ta.
    I clearly understand the word discrimination too and this is going to be fun, here a fun humor example i like to use

    Congrats Mr. Obama! you won! uhm listen, see the thing is we arent going to call you the President, see well, uhm , you are half black and we just cant call you THE PRESIDENT, we are going to call you aaaaaah . . . . uhm . . . The CEO if the United States of AMerica, yeah thats it.

    Now mind you'll have the same "full rights/privileges" and powers and decesions to make has the president but we just cant call it that.

    Oh yeah an by the way if you dont win next term and a whote guy wins we're gonna go back to calling him the president!

    LMAO
    yep you are right nooooooooooooooo discrimination there just because it has a different name. hahahahaha
    now tell me that cool part about ignorance and brain washing again???
    attempts at insults shows your desperation
    now clean off your face, theres egg on it
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