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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no I only stated to you what your comments reminded me of......that much is very clear.....good day to you.
    thats not the topic, let us know when you want to participate
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    actually, I found it humorous because when I read from you.. what I quoted.

    I reminds me of lost in space, "revolt of the androids"....... "crush, kill, destroy"
    You don't really post any valid arguments, so it's not that big of a stretch that you don't understand this discussion.

    You have failed to prove your case in every debate you have had with me. Me thinks it's due to your unwillingness to know when you are beaten.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    By your argument, the Nazis were moral people; they were taught morals in school and kept them.
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    That wasn't my argument. Not even close.
    You said that we should teach morals in school; I'm showing how that is a meaningless statement. There is no moral code that everyone agrees on; someone, typically the majority, will be left with the short end of the stick, when we try to teach it as a standard.

    In the context of teaching tolerance towards homosexuality, it's truly baffling that anyone can find that immoral; they're not teaching people to do it, or even bringing it up as a moral good, they're just teaching that it exists and exploring the differences in our society. It's as neutral as it gets. Specifically ignoring the topic is De Facto bigotry, when we live a society that still has rampant anti-homosexual tendencies. It's negligence, no different than bigotry itself.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Take the slippery slope. This is 100% true. Homosexual marriage wasn't accepted until very recently. What is to stop bestiality? What is to stop incest? Nothing.
    ....Seriously...? You're comparing animal rape to consenting adults?

    Don't you pretend to be a small government constitutionalist in most threads? Did you just decide to throw that to the wind when it comes to discriminating against homosexuals?

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    This is your rebuttal to Agent J? Pages and pages of blubbering nonsense? You can't find a way to string the words together explaining why you oppose equal rights?
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    The poll results here are not too different from the similarly unrealistic dualistic either-or poll for the nation at large regarding simplistic favor of the oxymoronic application of "marriage" to same-sex relevant relationships (53%) and opposition to that ludicrously oxymoronic application (47%).

    Though these two polls do illustrate the obvious deadlock, unrealistic-choice dualistic either-or polls on this matter do not tell the true relevant story.

    This thread ( http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-an...post1062303771 ), and in most recent particular, this post in that thread ( http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-an...post1062318413 ), more realistically present where America is truly at on the issue.

    70% support government and private enterprise recognition of same-sex relevant relationships, but 63% do not support recognition under the oxymoronic term "marriage".

    Thus, with respect to the question posed in this thread, gay "marriage" should rightly be stopped, as it is not a rights issue and the considerable majority support for recognition exists but this considerable majority only exists under the condition that recognition occur under an appropriate term other than "marriage", like, for instance, "homarriage".

    And, considering that's what America really wants, gay activists need to let go of the rabble-rousing and ludicrous gay "marriage" campaign and more intelligently support their bottom-line goal of recognition, and thus effort should be dropped on getting state constitutions changed to support the oxymoronic gay "marriage", and effort should be placed both on getting state constitutions changed to disallow it as well as create statutes in all 50 states called "homarriage" (or whatever term other than "marriage" is descriptively relevant).

    This is the right thing to do, for every reason.
    This is yet ANOTHER one of your "presentations" that has been completely debunked and you have been shown to not understand basic tenets of the issue... in this case, basic statistical analysis. Anyone who clicks one of your links can see how I systematically and completely took you apart. I do appreciate you linking to all of your failures. Shows character.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by douglas View Post
    You said that we should teach morals in school; I'm showing how that is a meaningless statement. There is no moral code that everyone agrees on; someone, typically the majority, will be left with the short end of the stick, when we try to teach it as a standard.
    What I said was that an education that lacked any value judgments or moral standards was worthless, particularly in certain areas. Since I gave clear and specific examples of what I was talking about the first time, I don't plan to repeat myself here.

    In the context of teaching tolerance towards homosexuality, it's truly baffling that anyone can find that immoral; they're not teaching people to do it, or even bringing it up as a moral good, they're just teaching that it exists and exploring the differences in our society. It's as neutral as it gets. Specifically ignoring the topic is De Facto bigotry, when we live a society that still has rampant anti-homosexual tendencies. It's negligence, no different than bigotry itself.
    When you say "teaching tolerance" you are essentially advocating the teaching of a particular moral virtue--or at least what you consider to be one. So that sort of defeats your own argument put forward in the first paragraph.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    What I said was that an education that lacked any value judgments or moral standards was worthless, particularly in certain areas. Since I gave clear and specific examples of what I was talking about the first time, I don't plan to repeat myself here.

    When you say "teaching tolerance" you are essentially advocating the teaching of a particular moral virtue--or at least what you consider to be one. So that sort of defeats your own argument put forward in the first paragraph.
    Tolerance is a fundamental pillar of our society. It is an absolutely essential element required for millions of people to live together in peace. This absolutely should be taught in schools.

    Kids should learn that they should be responsible for themselves, and that what others do, be they homosexuals, heterosexuals, christians, atheists, blacks, whites, etc., is none of their business, as every person has an equal right to our society and of their own way of life.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Tolerance is a fundamental pillar of our society. It is an absolutely essential element required for millions of people to live together in peace. This absolutely should be taught in schools.

    Kids should learn that they should be responsible for themselves, and that what others do, be they homosexuals, heterosexuals, christians, atheists, blacks, whites, etc., is none of their business, as every person has an equal right to our society and of their own way of life.
    yep like i said earlier in school gender, sexuality, religion, disabilities, social/economic status and race among other things are taught to kids as: they exist, they are like everybody else, theres nothing wrong with them, we shouldn't judge them and in society its our duty to be civil in situations like these. The EXACT same thing said about them all.

    if this type of teaching bothers people, they have some options, home school your kid or teach them the other things you want them to know when they come home like most PARENTS.

    very simple solution
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    ....Seriously...? You're comparing animal rape to consenting adults?

    Don't you pretend to be a small government constitutionalist in most threads? Did you just decide to throw that to the wind when it comes to discriminating against homosexuals?



    This is your rebuttal to Agent J? Pages and pages of blubbering nonsense? You can't find a way to string the words together explaining why you oppose equal rights?
    yes it was bad he talked his self into a corner, denied some facts and a handful of people blasted his failed posts for it, instead of just admitting it he deflected for pages and you know me, i didnt let it slide. Its was pretty funny the ass whooping his post took though. CC and others murdered his posts over and over.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    While that manner of education works well when you are trying to pry in a behavior like homosexuality where the goal is to eliminate any moral or value judgments, it is a horrible to teach history for example. Eliminate morals and values from the conversation and what does the teaching of WWII look like? Cant say the Nazis were bad and we were good because that is a value judgment. Is tyranny a good or bad way of governing? Cant say, that would be a value judgment. The whole issue of human rights would be left untaught since rights are a moral concept in themselves. Or if you were to teach them, countrys that defend rights, like the US, and countrys that suppress them, like North Korea, would have to be viewed in an equal light without any "moral or value judgments" applied. Sorry, but that is not an education.
    There are ways to discuss all of these things without presenting value judgments. Is tyranny EFFECTIVE? What are the results? Why do people resist it? One can teach this information without saying tyranny is good or bad. One can discuss the destructive nature of human rights violations, and why they are problematic. Further, stating the current moral culture in the US does not support the behavior of countries like North Korea, does not present values, but a description of values. One can discuss the history of values without making value judgments. That certainly is education.

    I could be wrong, but what I think Ernst was getting at is that when you have a school teach that homosexuality is normal, moral behavior, the school is making an argument that runs counter to the moral and value judgments that parents have imparted upon their children. So what you wind up with is a government school, to which most children are forced to go, imparting values that run counter to the values of the people who are forced to attend. The idea that homosexuality is even mentioned in public school is the result of a political agenda, thus a value judgment. So he is right in that respect.
    No, ernst was wrong. If a school teaches that homosexuality is normal, non-dysfunctional behavior, the school is not making a moral judgment. When you say "normal MORAL behavior" you are adding something that I never stated and have clearly commented that I would be against. If, however the school does as I said, and teaches that homosexuality is normal, non-dysfunctional behavior, that is not a moral judgment and I am unconcerned if parents like or do not like that. It's imparting information. If parents believe that information is against their morals and values, too bad. Remove their kids. If, however, morals WERE being presented, I could understand their issue.
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