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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Is homosexuality a "normal adaptive mechanism?" If so, how?

    I don't understand how that has anything to do with what we are discussing.
    Homosexuality is a behavioral modification suspending procreation in a part of population. Functionally akin to the suppression of sexual function in eusocial insects or the same naked mole rat, although more flexible: Instead of producing children to compete with kin for limited resources, some individuals focus on "work" - helping to raise children of their siblings. Genes that favor such modification (manifested stochastically or induced by factors of environment, or both) are retained as adaptive, carried via the siblings' progeny.

    In a human society, we go beyond biological imperatives, in deciding whether something is good, bad, or neutral. But there's nothing "abnormal" or "unnatural" (or, indeed, unusual, among mammals and birds) in homosexuality.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I think he might mean that....all information is...relative? Or rather, what one person's definition of "information" is may differ from another's....
    Possible, but to be clear, information isn't relative; how and if information is used is relative.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    That isn't where I was going, actually. I was simply trying to point out that the standard you used to determine the normalcy of homosexuality was way too broad and would, in fact, serve to make virtually ANY relationship out to be normal.
    The criterion may be broad, but the specifics to meet that criteria are not.
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Just answer the damn question...
    I believe that the government's influence on education should stretch as far as providing a clear, universal alternative to private schooling for the population, and should allow for factual information to be imparted without morals and values towards that information.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I believe that the government's influence on education should stretch as far as providing a clear, universal alternative to private schooling for the population, and should allow for factual information to be imparted without morals and values towards that information.
    While that manner of education works well when you are trying to pry in a behavior like homosexuality where the goal is to eliminate any moral or value judgments, it is a horrible to teach history for example. Eliminate morals and values from the conversation and what does the teaching of WWII look like? Cant say the Nazis were bad and we were good because that is a value judgment. Is tyranny a good or bad way of governing? Cant say, that would be a value judgment. The whole issue of human rights would be left untaught since rights are a moral concept in themselves. Or if you were to teach them, countrys that defend rights, like the US, and countrys that suppress them, like North Korea, would have to be viewed in an equal light without any "moral or value judgments" applied. Sorry, but that is not an education.

    I could be wrong, but what I think Ernst was getting at is that when you have a school teach that homosexuality is normal, moral behavior, the school is making an argument that runs counter to the moral and value judgments that parents have imparted upon their children. So what you wind up with is a government school, to which most children are forced to go, imparting values that run counter to the values of the people who are forced to attend. The idea that homosexuality is even mentioned in public school is the result of a political agenda, thus a value judgment. So he is right in that respect.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What's "droning"?
    it means going on and on endlessly talking and not really saying anything.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    your welcome......droning for you is fun, isn't it?. .please continue
    please continue deflecting and getting owned

    yes droning on the fact you got nthing to support your lies and your post got destroyed is fun.

    so now if you will, in your next post please link/state these facts that support your failed, laughable claims or dodge and lose again

    good thing others dont have the same failed logic you do
    " im going to yell at my school tomorrow, i dont want them teaching that old math that 2+2=4 when i know it equals five and they better not tell my kid all the left-handed people, redheaded people, blacks and or Catholic people and jewish people are normal!
    how dare they!!!!! they are taking sides!!!!"
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    no ...i presented no facts here
    so true
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    please continue deflecting and getting owned

    yes droning on the fact you got nthing to support your lies and your post got destroyed is fun.

    so now if you will, in your next post please link/state these facts that support your failed, laughable claims or dodge and lose again

    good thing others dont have the same failed logic you do
    " im going to yell at my school tomorrow, i dont want them teaching that old math that 2+2=4 when i know it equals five and they better not tell my kid all the left-handed people, redheaded people, blacks and or Catholic people and jewish people are normal!
    how dare they!!!!! they are taking sides!!!!"

    so true
    i am sorry you are not able to determine, that i have not taken a position on whether homosexuality is normal or abnormal....in fact i have been neutral on the subject..........that is a fact i have stated at least 2 to 3 times.

    for your info again, i have stated "why you you believe you have the facts, and someone with a different point of view then yours,...are said not to have facts, what leads you to believe only you can have facts, and why should they come before anyone else whom you and others dismiss?

    please continue droning
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i am sorry you are not able to determine, that i have not taken a position on whether homosexuality is normal or abnormal....in fact i have been neutral on the subject..........that is a fact i have stated at least 2 to 3 times.

    for your info again, i have stated "why you you believe you have the facts, and someone with a different point of view then yours,...are said not to have facts, what leads you to believe only you can have facts, and why should they come before anyone else whom you and others dismiss?

    please continue droning
    please continue deflecting and getting owned

    so now if you will, in your next post please link/state these facts that support your failed, laughable claims or dodge and lose again

    good thing others dont have the same failed logic you do
    " im going to yell at my school tomorrow, i dont want them teaching that old math that 2+2=4 when i know it equals five and they better not tell my kid all the left-handed people, redheaded people, blacks and or Catholic people and jewish people are normal!
    how dare they!!!!! they are taking sides!!!!"
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no ...i presented no facts here
    so true
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    it means going on and on endlessly talking and not really saying anything.
    So you guys really don't see what Capt'n C is doing here? You don't see the game? Ok. Have fun then.

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