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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    It's a fairly simple question, and I'm sure you're capable of understanding the definition of control...
    Control is a rather strong word and has context. Describe the context in which you are using it.
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    please continue with more air
    your post loses and again is destroyed by facts
    please continue deflecting and getting owned
    so now if you will, in your next post please link/state these facts that support your failed, laughable claims or dodge and lose again

    good thing others dont have the same failed logic you do

    " im going to yell at my school tomorrow, i dont want them teaching that old math that 2+2=4 when i know it equals five and they better not tell my kid all the left-handed people, redheaded people, blacks and or Catholic people and jewish people are normal!

    how dare they!!!!! they are taking sides!!!!"



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    no ...i presented no facts here
    so true
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Nah, I'm fine with an universal curriculum. Government schools tend to be less values-oriented in what they teach. Once you start adding values in general education, you muck up the presentation of facts. If parents want to teach their kids their values, they certainly can.
    But you being fine with a universal curriculum doesn't give you the right to impose that curriculum on your neighbors. But that is exactly what you are doing by defending government schools. If you don't like what your kids are being taught, you should be free to seek education that is more in tune with your values and those you wish to impart upon your children, not herded like cattle into a one-size-fits-all education determined by political hacks and nameless bureaucrats.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Control is a rather strong word and has context. Describe the context in which you are using it.
    Okay, I'll make it even simpler. At what level should government assert influence in education?
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, I gave you a formula that has been used to determine whether homosexuality is normal or not. YOU took the leap and stated that this determines that everything is normal, not I.
    But you had no counter to my argument, so I think it stands.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    But you being fine with a universal curriculum doesn't give you the right to impose that curriculum on your neighbors. But that is exactly what you are doing by defending government schools. If you don't like what your kids are being taught, you should be free to seek education that is more in tune with your values and those you wish to impart upon your children, not herded like cattle into a one-size-fits-all education determined by political hacks and nameless bureaucrats.
    You can. Private schools and home-schooling exist. And if you enroll your child in a public school, get involved and help set the curriculum. Many do.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    But you had no counter to my argument, so I think it stands.
    What argument is that? That there is no abnormal? Of course there is. Psychological determinations show this with some. Goals and outcomes show it with others. These are the determinants that I mentioned. Truthfully, I have no desire to participate in a discussion where someone tries to prove that pedophilia and bestiality fit in the same category as homosexuality. That IS where you were going, wasn't it? I've had that discussion plenty of times and it's fairly boring.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well i am not after morals, i am after our schools not teaching the morals of the left or right......government out of the moral power trip
    But no proper education can be free of moral teaching. For example, there is a moral case against tyranny, fascism and communism that must be made in schools. Just as there is a moral argument for the ideals laid out in the Declaration of Independence. I don't think you want your children to receive an education that makes no moral distinction between a free society and a slave state.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Okay, I'll make it even simpler. At what level should government assert influence in education?
    I think you mean, "at what level DO I BELIEVE that government should assert influence in education". Is this correct? Just want to make sure that we know the difference between facts and beliefs, here. I'm SURE you'd want that clarity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Dinner break, guys. Be back in a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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