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Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

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chickie said:
Dietary laws and sodomy are two very different things. God does not care what we eat. He cares that we obey Him and do His will.
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If you believe that God's will is expressed clearly in the Bible, then the dietary law and sodomy are not two different things at all.
 
Vincent said:
You are calling him smug? Reread your original post. That's the charcoal calling the tea cup black. You arrogantly rattle off the opposing points to your view and then call them all 'meaningless' or 'ridiculous' or 'laughable' or 'debunked' and yet Ockham stating that marriage is between a man and a woman is 'smug'?
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yes i am calling him smug
those reasons have in fact been debunked, if you would like to debate any of them feel free ill gladly debunk them again

also nobody called him smug for tating that marriage is between a man and a woman, dont know where you got that fantasy from but it seems like you need to get a lot of you facts straight LMAO
 
Jucon said:
Either way, people are still explaining why it's not right to stop it. I think the reason Centrist asked to explain the yes responces is because there aren't many legitimate arguments against gay marriage. Most arguments against gay marriage are opinions, and opinions are no reason to create laws that discrimiate against homosexuals.

On another note...
Hey look at that! Another poll trolled. Good thing Centrist made the poll public.
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wow look at this common sense does NOT escape JUCON like some others, obviously it doesnt need explained since i already gave many reasons LOL

also yes a bunch of 12 year olds spammed the poll again, they easily get their feelings hurt and yes that is why i made it public so you can see the REAL results which are 78% no and 22% yes :)
 
Jucon said:
When ever I hear someone use the "slippery slope" theory concerning gay marriage... I LMAO :lamo

I think you hit the nail on the head, Centrist. It is fine to believe gay marriage is wrong, but once you start trying to actually block it you move into the realm of being un-America. People can be against gay marriage all they want... though I disagree with them, they are still entitled to their opinion. But once people start denying one group of people what another group of people have, that's when I have a problem. If that isn't discrimination, I don't know what is?

Edit: Centrist, you left out the "marriage is for starting a family and procreating" argument. Also false.
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Actually, this was a central question to Walkers decision. The State of CA diddn't argue this case very well, IMO.



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Hicup said:
Actually, this was a central question to Walkers decision. The State of CA diddn't argue this case very well, IMO.



Tim-
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The state of California didn't argue it at all. The Governor and Attorney General refused to do so. Protect Marriage, the group that created Prop 8, were the ones who argued the case.
 
Centrist77 said:
Hello everyone, the other thread reached almost 2000 posts and 192 pages!!!!
It had to be closed because at around 2000 post it becomes taxing on the server, thanks independent_thinker2002

Anyway lets keep it going since we had some great talks, some people even woke up and saw theres no reason and some had some at least semi-sensible new angles but still fell short. Not to mention I wanna continue because its funs and supports my research.

Heres the link below and Ill also repost the OP.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/71580-gay-marriage-right-stop.html

Also just for an FYI the poll was spammed and the new one will be public but last CC (Captain Courtesy) checked it mirrored the results of the others I have conducted under THIS premise or is it right to stop not what you believe and that was AROUND 75% no and 25% yes.

Now on to the OP
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Not only am I looking for your opinion im looking for your reasoning if your answer is yes.

I have discussed gay marriage many many times and have yet to hear ONE sound, reasonable, logical, non-bias, non-selfish, non-arrogant, non-hypercritical, non anti-american reason to "Stop" gay marriage. Almost every reason I have ever heard was also used about women’s rights, equal rights, interracial marriage etc. the reason were dumb illogical then and the most certainly still are today, even more so since not only common sense and facts proves them wrong but history.

now mind you, pay attention to my verbiage, I said reason to STOP it.

That means in America I think its fine for anybody to:
THINK its wrong, gross or offensive etc
TEACH its wrong gross or offensive etc
PREACH its wrong gross or offensive etc
BELIEVE its wrong gross or offensive etc
FEEL its wrong gross or offensive etc
etc

and i also believe and support in your rights to do so but once you try to stop it I think you wrong on so many levels.
I can’t imagine how AMERICANS think they have the right to tell two CONSENTING ADULTS who and who they cant marry lmao

Does it get anymore pompous, arrogant, selfish, hypercritical and anti american than that. How anybody thinks they have the right to tell a consenting adult they cant marry another consenting adult is beyond me.

Also to be clear Im also not saying its wrong for you to VOTE on the subject everybody has that right of course.

I myself am not gay so I REALLY feel its non of my business but has an american I have to call BS on the other so called americans that do think its there business some how.

Anyway maybe this time will be different, it’ll actually be VERY interesting if it is different. So does anybody have ONE sound, reasonable, logical, non-bais, non-selfish, non-arrogant, non-hypercritical, non anti-american reason to "Stop" gay marriage.

Who thinks they have a sound reason why they should get to tell one American consenting adults they cant marry another consenting American adult.


Also for some reference Ill try to list the general reasons people thought of that have been thoroughly debunked.

Religion/god/bible – Meaningless and debunked

Slippery slope argument: I should be able to marry my dog, pedophiles marring children etc. – Ludicrous and debunked

Marriage is between a man and woman – this is a lie/opinion. Meaningless and debunked

Morals – your morals are subjective, shouldn’t be forced on others and your morals aren’t effected one bit, you still get to believe in them as you see fit. Meaningless and debunked

Gay Parents will “turn” their kids gay – LMAO this is also a uneducated fantasy. It has been proven that that children raised by gay parents are no more likely to be or not be gay. It has also been proven that children raised in a multi-parent home on average do better than a single parent home no matter the sex. Ignorant and debunked

Churches will lose their rights – another silly argument that appeals to emotion and could probably be added under the “slipper slope” argument as well. Churches are already protected and will never lose their rights, they discriminate RIGHT NOW against who they want including STRAIGHT couples and will be able to continue to do so under the first amendment. Ludicrous and debunked

Alright heres the most current update and lets have fun!
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OFFICIAL COUNTER
how many sound, reasonable, logical, non-bias, non-selfish, non-arrogant, non-hypercritical, non anti-american reason are there to "Stop" gay marriage

GOOD REASONS: 0
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Just an update
OFFICIAL COUNTER
how many sound, reasonable, logical, non-bias, non-selfish, non-arrogant, non-hypercritical, non anti-american reason are there to "Stop" gay marriage

GOOD REASONS: 0
 
Centrist77 said:
Now mind you, pay attention to my verbiage, I said reason to STOP it.

That means in America I think its fine for anybody to:
THINK its wrong, gross or offensive etc
TEACH its wrong gross or offensive etc
PREACH its wrong gross or offensive etc
BELIEVE its wrong gross or offensive etc
FEEL its wrong gross or offensive etc
etc


GOOD REASONS: 0
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Now let's give a reason NOT to stop it:

A marriage is a private contract. Unless someone is being harmed in some way there is no legitimate reason to stop it. The same goes for polygamy, polyandry, mixed racial marriages (these used to be against the law), etc.

Marriage is NOT a legitimate function of government.
 
Ockham said:
The only reason to stop it would be because it's called "marriage". Otherwise, no reason to stop it at all.
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So what? Are you so attached to a word that you're unwilling to share even if what you're describing is 100% identical?

If so, that's... bizarre.
 
chickie said:
God is not "meaningless and debunked". He says in His Word that homosexuality is an abomination. I'm not going to fck with Him.
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You're welcome to believe in your imaginary friends, but like it or not, America has a SECULAR government and your fantasy beliefs have no place whatsoever in it. We already have a perfectly good word for what's going on, it's called "marriage" and there's no need to make another one up to appease your imaginary father figure in the sky.
 
ronpaulvoter said:
Now let's give a reason NOT to stop it:

A marriage is a private contract. Unless someone is being harmed in some way there is no legitimate reason to stop it. The same goes for polygamy, polyandry, mixed racial marriages (these used to be against the law), etc.

Marriage is NOT a legitimate function of government.
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Actually, marriage is not a private contract, it is a function of tax law, etc. If you don't want to get married, don't. It's easy. Don't get a license, don't go through a ceremony, just live together and stop worrying about it. Most of all, stop trying to tell everyone else what to do.

You're just as bad as the anti-gay-marriage hypocrites.
 
ronpaulvoter said:
Now let's give a reason NOT to stop it:

A marriage is a private contract. Unless someone is being harmed in some way there is no legitimate reason to stop it. The same goes for polygamy, polyandry, mixed racial marriages (these used to be against the law), etc.

Marriage is NOT a legitimate function of government.
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reasons not to? already given in this thread and the first thread, there are tons of them but the most important is its nobody's business who two consenting adults marry and only a complete jackass would think otherwise.
 
Centrist77 said:
reasons not to? already given in this thread and the first thread, there are tons of them but the most important is its nobody's business who two consenting adults marry and only a complete jackass would think otherwise.
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Wait, I thought polygamy was still illegal?

:mrgreen:

But seriously, I agree.
 
wow 2 threads, one locked and maxed out at 192 pages and 1950 posts and the second thread at 12 pages and 113 posts (204 pages, 2640 posts total)

both polls were spammed but last a mod checked the other one it was 76% no and this poll is currently 78%

Update

Lets check the count, how many sound, reasonable, logical, non-bais, non-selfish, non-arrogant, non-hypercritical, non anti-american reason are there to "Stop" gay marriage

GOOD REASONS: 0

still holding strong
 
Centrist77 said:
wow 2 threads, one locked and maxed out at 192 pages and 1950 posts and the second thread at 12 pages and 113 posts (204 pages, 2640 posts total)
both polls were spammed but last a mod checked the other one it was 76% no and this poll is currently 78%

Update

Lets check the count, how many sound, reasonable, logical, non-bais, non-selfish, non-arrogant, non-hypercritical, non anti-american reason are there to "Stop" gay marriage

GOOD REASONS: 0

still holding strong
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What that tells you is that anti-gay bigots are almost as tenacious in their prejudice and superiority as the slave-holding class of the Old South.

Until those people die off, there will be no equality.
 
Patria Antiqua said:
What that tells you is that anti-gay bigots are almost as tenacious in their prejudice and superiority as the slave-holding class of the Old South.

Until those people die off, there will be no equality.
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Speaking of bigotry. :roll:
 
Patria Antiqua said:
Nothing I said involves bigotry of any kind.

I notice that it's always the least tolerant people who demand that everyone tolerate their opinions.
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Speaking of intolerance. :roll:
 
American said:
Speaking of bigotry. :roll:
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How is hating people who are preventing equality and who hate a certain type of people a negative thing? Without people hating such evils, slavery would still be present. Women would still be treated as if they are an object.
 
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American said:
Speaking of intolerance. :roll:
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Where is it? You keep drawling out the same line with a different noun attached.

Are you some sort mental defective, or do you plan to show me where this intolerance is?
 
Patria Antiqua said:
Where is it? You keep drawling out the same line with a different noun attached.

Are you some sort mental defective, or do you plan to show me where this intolerance is?
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Mental defective? Care to repeat that?
 
Patria Antiqua said:
What that tells you is that anti-gay bigots are almost as tenacious in their prejudice and superiority as the slave-holding class of the Old South.

Until those people die off, there will be no equality.
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Yes this is true, most bigoted people cant see they are bigoted or are so rooted in their ways or upbringing its hard for them to see or acknowledge the truth.

I dont have all the links but CC does. Do you know it wasnt until like 1991 that the people that opposed interracial marriage became a minority, 1991! As am American I find that embarrassing for those people, they should be ashamed of their hypocritical bigoted ways.
 
Centrist77 said:
Yes this is true, most bigoted people cant see they are bigoted or are so rooted in their ways or upbringing its hard for them to see or acknowledge the truth.

I dont have all the links but CC does. Do you know it wasnt until like 1991 that the people that opposed interracial marriage became a minority, 1991! As am American I find that embarrassing for those people, they should be ashamed of their hypocritical bigoted ways.
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Indeed, these types are the stain of the country.
 
gmeyers1944 said:
This is what liberals do. They change the definitions of words. The REAL definition of marriage is the union of one man with one woman ( regardless of race or ethnicity). It is not opinion or a lie. It is not meaningless nor been debunked.
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Definition of MARRIAGE
1a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage> b : the mutual relation of married persons : wedlock c : the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage
2: an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected; especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities
3: an intimate or close union <the marriage of painting and poetry — J. T. Shawcross>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/marriage

Do you want to try that one again? See, this is what intelligent people do, they understand the terms that they are debating and don't make **** up in an attempt to sound as if they know more than they do. Just sayin'.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Definition of MARRIAGE
1a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage> b : the mutual relation of married persons : wedlock c : the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage
2: an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected; especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities
3: an intimate or close union <the marriage of painting and poetry — J. T. Shawcross>

Marriage - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Do you want to try that one again? See, this is what intelligent people do, they understand the terms that they are debating and don't make **** up in an attempt to sound as if they know more than they do. Just sayin'.
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What???

Language changes over time???

Damn liberals making progress.
 
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