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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

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    but that is only opinion from you, others feel it is incorrect...so because you feel what you believe is correct...does that give you and others authority to have what you believe promoted?

    cannot others who feel different than you, have what they feel is correct promoted also?
    Those things are not feelings. It is factual that homosexuality, other than in a statistical sense, is normal. It is also a MORAL statement to say that homosexuals perform unnatural acts. It is also factually incorrect. You yourself have stated that it is inappropriate to add value or opinion in these matters.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    but now you drawing a fine line, and that line can be crossed over very easy, and since people hold their own personal moral standard, people lean towards their own point of view when engaging in activity such as teaching
    No, the line is intact. Info vs. value. As long as one does not cross the line, getting close is fine.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Those things are not feelings. It is factual that homosexuality, other than in a statistical sense, is normal. It is also a MORAL statement to say that homosexuals perform unnatural acts. It is also factually incorrect. You yourself have stated that it is inappropriate to add value or opinion in these matters.
    again you say its normal, but others say its not, ...how is it that you get to prevail over the ideas of other people, in the public realm?

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    again you say it normal, but others say it not, ...how is it that you get to prevail over the ideas of other people, in the public realm?
    I'm not saying it's normal. Beyond statistics, it IS normal. This is proven through research and studies. Facts prevail over opinions.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, the line is intact. Info vs. value. As long as one does not cross the line, getting close is fine.
    1)if a school in a red state teaches homosexuality is abnormal.............will you be angry? and want it stopped?

    2)if a school in a blue state teaches homosexuality is normal .............will you be angry ?and want it stopped?

    my predication is you would say yes to both questions in 1

    and no to both questions in 2.....and have things that way to suit you.


    now explain to me, why cant another person who feels differently then you, answer the questions in reverse, and have what he wants...which is opposite to your position.

    why you do feel only what you believe should be represented?

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    but that is only opinion from you,
    No it is not an opinion. It id normal and natural for X% of the population to be homosexual since the dawn of humankind.

    others feel it is incorrect...
    key word "feel"

    so because you feel what you believe is correct...
    It is not a belief.

    does that give you and others authority to have what you believe promoted?
    Again not a belief.

    cannot others who feel different than you, have what they feel is correct promoted also?
    it would be a disservice in education.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    1)if a school in a red state teaches homosexuality is abnormal.............will you be angry? and want it stopped?

    2)if a school in a blue state teaches homosexuality is normal .............will you be angry ?and want it stopped?

    my predication is you would say yes to both questions in 1

    and no to both questions in 2.....and have things that way to suit you.


    now explain to me, why cant another person who feels differently then you, answer the questions in reverse, and have what he wants...which is opposite to your position.

    why you do feel only what you believe should be represented?
    already answered in the post below, it has nothgin to do with HIM

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    I'm not saying it's normal. Beyond statistics, it IS normal. This is proven through research and studies. Facts prevail over opinions.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    1)if a school in a red state teaches homosexuality is abnormal.............will you be angry? and want it stopped?
    Yes because that is a value judgement and factually incorrect.

    2)if a school in a blue state teaches homosexuality is normal .............will you be angry ?and want it stopped?
    No, because that is information.

    my predication is you would say yes to both questions in 1

    and no to both questions in 2.....and have things that way to suit you.
    Your prediction is correct but your reasoning is not. It's about facts, not values. YOU have clearly stated that you do not want values taught in schools. Seems to me that you don't want facts that you don't like taught in schools.


    now explain to me, why cant another person who feels differently then you, answer the questions in reverse, and have what he wants...which is opposite to your position.

    why you do feel only what you believe should be represented?
    Feelings are irrelevant. Facts are relevant. I've explained this to you.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    already answered in the post below, it has nothgin to do with HIM
    I used him, instead of saying the people who support the same view point as him.

    and it does matter.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    I used him, instead of saying the people who support the same view point as him.

    and it does matter.
    no in a public school it does not

    and you asked him why only HIS views matter and that is NOT what is going on

    FACTS matter

    this is a very easy concept.
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