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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Marriage is a right, homosexual marriage, polygamy, incest marriages, or other unions are not nor is it a right for people to demand or feel entitled to such things. Marriage as a right exists within the boundaries of how the states define the unions for themselves.
    well when pushed to state supreme courts they disagree, the IRS also now disagree

    its a matter of time before equal rights is pushed and gays will have equal rights, yes i know you don't support equal rights for gays but that doesnt matter. Precedence does.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    No, I support SSM at the state level but I respect that others disagree and I think it would be an atrocity to freedom to mandate SSM on a national level and deny people their right to vote on the issue.
    Why??
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J

    yep this type of sever uneducated logic on this topic was funny and made no sense back then and that still holds true today.
    My point which you already agreed to still stands from post #305. The stawman in this case had a purpose - to show stupidity has many forms (which was my point and you agree); just as stupid as calls for changing the definition of marriage between a man and a woman to a "union" of two people because one group doesn't think it's fair. Taken to the extreme in the 15 cases of overt stupidity.


    Thanks for the support. Appreciate it.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    the fact that religion has nothgin to do with legal marriage, that fact, try to keep up
    Gov't has decided religions who don't also allow same-sex 'union' ceremonies at the religion's building, even though same-sex 'unions' go against the religion's canon, should not get tax breaks. Gov't also is giving tax breaks to religions, to any ideology, I guess, under exact same circumstances if they perform same-sex 'union' ceremonies.

    There is a portion of the religion part of the first amendment that goes something like this: gov't shall not set up a gov't religion... Well, if under the exact same circumstances, gov't allows certain tax breaks to religions, while disallowing tax breaks to other religions, gov't is, in essence, setting up a gov't religion...... Like I said in another post. You don't care about the religion part of the first amendment of the Constitution.

    You said in another post that this couldn't happen? Well, it happened to the Methodist Church of New Jersey.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Gov't has decided religions who don't also allow same-sex 'union' ceremonies at the religion's building, even though same-sex 'unions' go against the religion's canon, should not get tax breaks.
    Gov't also is giving tax breaks to religions, to any ideology, I guess, under exact same circumstances if they perform same-sex 'union' ceremonies.

    There is a portion of the religion part of the first amendment that goes something like this: gov't shall not set up a gov't religion... Well, if under the exact same circumstances, gov't allows certain tax breaks to religions, while disallowing tax breaks to other religions, gov't is, in essence, setting up a gov't religion...... Like I said in another post. You don't care about the religion part of the first amendment of the Constitution.

    You said in another post that this couldn't happen? Well, it happened to the Methodist Church of New Jersey.
    1.) never at a CHURCH
    if the building was used for PROFIT and COMMERCIAL or public access yes and the government should do that

    just cause its owned by a religion doesnt mean it gets to discriminate outside the religious realm

    try again, CHURCHES are in no danger of being forced to marry anybody

    and please give us all a FACTUAL link to what exactly happened to this "church". I want to see the facts

    my guess is this church owned something like a pavilion, rented out to people to uses and then when somebody wanted to use it they didnt like on religious grounds the discriminated against them and were either fined, made to rent it out anyway etc etc

    ill be waiting for the link

    like i said religious marriage has nothing to do with legal marriage.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    like i said, you and the gov't don't care about the religion portion of the first amemment with the demand that unions be marriages.
    Here's your link.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/18/ny...rove.html?_r=0

    The last line of the link states that, before tax exempt status of the Ocean Grove pavillion was revoked (supposedly), Ocean Grove, NJ. was the leading light for gay tolerance and that’s not the case anymore,” Mr. Goldstein said. Ocean Grove NJ. (a gov't) is certainly not the leading light for religious tolerance. All The Methodist Church of NJ has to do is forsake their canon and they will get tax exempt status for their pavillion. In other words, the canon of the Methodist Church of NJ is wrong when attempting to achieve tax status as deemed by the gov't of Ocean Grove NJ.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    like i said, you don't care about the religion portion of the first amemment when it comes to same-sex unions.
    Here's your link.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/18/ny...rove.html?_r=0

    The last line of the link states that, before tax exempt status of the Ocean Grove pavillion was revoked (supposedly), Ocean Grove, NJ. was the leading light for gay tolerance and that’s not the case anymore,” Mr. Goldstein said. What would Mr. Goldstein say about the religious tolerance of Ocean Grove, NJ? Ocean Grove NJ. is certainly not the leading light for religious tolerance.
    BOOM!
    i called it i knew the story you were talking about it was about a publicboardwalk pavillion they owned and rented out ane let the public use.

    Im familiar with this story from back in the day, i believe it was found out that the church even let other religious things go on like Bar mitvas but then didnt allow a gay ceremony which is the epitome of bigotry

    the move was 100% right because a boardwalk public pavilion is NOT the church. ANd per your story just the pavilion couldnt be claimed as tax exempt, the group itself lost nothign

    thanks for proving me right and my statement stands

    like i said religious marriage has nothing to do with legal marriage and no CHURCH is in danger of being forced to marry anybody
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    So you also agree with the NJ gov't. The canon of the NJ Methodist Church is wrong when attempting to achieve tax exempt status.... Did I get that right from you?
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Huh?..

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    And that boardwalk pavillion in Ocean Grove, NJ is 100 percent (or was) operated and maintained by the Methodist Church of New Jersey?

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