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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

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    If you think marriage is a right, give me the basic fundamental innate right from which this supposed right to marriage is derived.
    what i think doesn't matter, what you think doesn't matter
    the fact is marriage is a right pointed out by 14 supreme court cases

    Here is a list of the fourteen cases, with links to the opinions and citations to the Court’s discussion of the right to marry.

    Maynard v. Hill, 125 U.S. 190, 205, 211 (1888): Marriage is “the most important relation in life” and “the foundation of the family and society, without which there would be neither civilization nor progress.”

    Meyer v. Nebraska, 262 U.S. 390, 399 (1923): The right “to marry, establish a home and bring up children” is a central part of liberty protected by the Due Process Clause.

    Skinner v. Oklahoma ex rel. Williamson, 316 U.S. 535, 541 (1942): Marriage “one of the basic civil rights of man,” “fundamental to the very existence and survival of the race.”

    Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479, 486 (1965): “We deal with a right of privacy older than the Bill of Rights—older than our political parties, older than our school system. Marriage is a coming together for better or for worse, hopefully enduring, and intimate to the degree of being sacred. It is an association that promotes a way of life, not causes; a harmony in living, not political faiths; a bilateral loyalty, not commercial or social projects. Yet it is an association for as noble a purpose as any involved in our prior decisions.”

    Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1, 12 (1967): “The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men.”

    Boddie v. Connecticut, 401 U.S. 371, 376, 383 (1971): “[M]arriage involves interests of basic importance to our society” and is “a fundamental human relationship.”

    Cleveland Board of Education v. LaFleur, 414 U.S. 632, 639-40 (1974): “This Court has long recognized that freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.”

    Moore v. City of East Cleveland, 431 U.S. 494, 499 (1977) (plurality): “[W]hen the government intrudes on choices concerning family living arrangements, this Court must examine carefully the importance of the governmental interests advanced and the extent to which they are served by the challenged regulation.”

    Carey v. Population Services International, 431 U.S. 678, 684-85 (1977): “[I]t is clear that among the decisions that an individual may make without unjustified government interference are personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and child rearing and education.”

    Zablocki v. Redhail, 434 U.S. 374, 384 (1978): “[T]he right to marry is of fundamental importance for all individuals.”

    Turner v. Safley, 482 U.S. 78, 95 (1987): “[T]he decision to marry is a fundamental right” and an “expression[ ] of emotional support and public commitment.”

    Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833, 851 (1992): “These matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.”

    M.L.B. v. S.L.J., 519 U.S. 102, 116 (1996): “Choices about marriage, family life, and the upbringing of children are among associational rights this Court has ranked as ‘of basic importance in our society,’ rights sheltered by the Fourteenth Amendment against the State’s unwarranted usurpation, disregard, or disrespect.”

    Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558, 574 (2003): “[O]ur laws and tradition afford constitutional protection to personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and education. … Persons in a homosexual relationship may seek autonomy for these purposes, just as heterosexual persons do.”
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    what i think doesn't matter, what you think doesn't matter
    the fact is marriage is a right pointed out by 14 supreme court cases
    I didn't ask you what the supreme court thought.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I didn't ask you what the supreme court thought.
    well if you dont like the fact maybe write them a letter and tell them you disagree
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    what i think doesn't matter, what you think doesn't matter
    the fact is marriage is a right pointed out by 14 supreme court cases
    Marriage is a right, homosexual marriage, polygamy, incest marriages, or other unions are not nor is it a right for people to demand or feel entitled to such things. Marriage as a right exists within the boundaries of how the states define the unions for themselves.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Marriage is a right, homosexual marriage, polygamy, incest marriages, or other unions are not nor is it a right for people to demand or feel entitled to such things. Marriage as a right exists within the boundaries of how the states define the unions for themselves.
    Are you saying that you are against allowing same sex members the right to marry?
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    well if you dont like the fact maybe write them a letter and tell them you disagree
    And they will, thankfully, not give a **** about his opinion and stick to the facts about rights under the Constitution.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Are you saying that you are against allowing same sex members the right to marry?
    No, I support SSM at the state level but I respect that others disagree and I think it would be an atrocity to freedom to mandate SSM on a national level and deny people their right to vote on the issue.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    No, I support SSM at the state level but I respect that others disagree and I think it would be an atrocity to freedom to mandate SSM on a national level and deny people their right to vote on the issue.
    Cool, and really? Are we not a nation that equally respects individuals rights? Separate But Equal was not allowed on a State level. Slavery was not allowed on a State level. Discrimination is a national law... why not this?
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    No, I support SSM at the state level but I respect that others disagree and I think it would be an atrocity to freedom to mandate SSM on a national level and deny people their right to vote on the issue.
    Oh I think the real atrocity is the notion rights should be left to the whims of a popular vote.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    And they will, thankfully, not give a **** about his opinion and stick to the facts about rights under the Constitution.
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