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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    If you pay less in taxes you are not getting money from others. Obviously you come from the school of thought that thinks all money belongs to the govt. That is just plain wrong. Go take an economics course.
    If spending stays the same? Of course you are. Just think about it. Where does the cash come from to maintain payments? Debt? Unborn children? You name it. From the taxpayer and all those, that would have got more benefits had the money been in the kitty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    If spending stays the same? Of course you are. Just think about it. Where does the cash come from to maintain payments? Debt? Unborn children? You name it. From the taxpayer and all those, that would have got more benefits had the money been in the kitty.
    Ok MAO, so you are a communist. hate to tell you this but communist economic theories have been pretty much proven to be false.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Ok MAO, so you are a communist. hate to tell you this but communist economic theories have been pretty much proven to be false.
    Actually, you could not be further from the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Actually, you could not be further from the truth.
    Right you think all money belongs to the govt, that makes you a communist.
    Either that or perhaps all your crap about giving money to married couples is really just a way to try and hide your prejudice against homosexuals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Right you think all money belongs to the govt, that makes you a communist.
    Either that or perhaps all your crap about giving money to married couples is really just a way to try and hide your prejudice against homosexuals.
    I do not really think I said that. As a matter of fact, that is so off the wall that I can hardly believe you said it.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    If there are no tax and benefits attached to marriage you would be right. If all government support of all married couples is stopped, then that changes the argument. But that is unfortunately not the case.
    The tax and benefits tied to marriage are not huge at all, and in fact can be taxes on marriage itself and punishments. For instance, being married can prevent a person from being able to testify against a spouse that they know has done something wrong. It can cause some problems when it comes to debt. It can tie a person legally to another person's family, which then could reflect negatively on them, even if they have very little contact with their inlaws.

    It still comes to the fact that we give incentives, including tax incentives for things that we view as benefiting society. Marriages, even non-child bearing marriages benefit society. Many studies have been done on this. But considering how little the majority of couples actually gain from this benefit they give, it really cannot be how you want to believe it is.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    As I pointed out to another member here, that is not true. I know that most people do not think easily in economic terms. But this is rather straight forward in first incidence. The The easiest way you might think about it would be to think about where the money comes from, when the sum of taxes falls, while spending stays or increases. This is what happens, when a group receives a tax break and new government benefits.
    You are the one not being truthful or ignoring what is the truth about government benefits of marriage. Most of those are not financial benefits, but rather protections from the government and familial rights. You want to see it differently, likely because you have set your mind that single people are not being treated fairly. You simply are not correct.

    Married people are not receiving this huge tax break, nor any huge government benefits. Much of what they do receive is easily compensated for by what they provide to society.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I do not really think I said that. As a matter of fact, that is so off the wall that I can hardly believe you said it.
    No what you are saying is completely off the wall. You pretend that allowing gays to marry will cost you $$$ that is false and plain stupid. You can only pretend this if you believe all money belongs to the govt as a communist does. So either you are a communist or you are just pretending to be outraged to try and hide your anti-gay bias.

    I am pretty sure every one on this forum knows which is the real reason
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    True economists have been studying marriage and how it affects the government's income for a while. They say the same thing those of us who support same sex marriage have been saying, that marriage, despite what some want to claim, brings in more money to the government. It does not cost the rest of society any money for same sex couples to marry. In fact, it is highly likely that it would in fact save other taxpayers money for them to marry.

    The Economic Benefits of Gay Marriage | PBS NewsHour

    However, more than a decade of research by myself and other economists and analysis by the Congressional Budget Office under the direction of Douglas Holtz-Eakin suggests just the opposite: that state and federal budgets will actually get a positive boost if gay couples are allowed to marry. Any additional state and federal spending on benefits would be outweighed by savings from lower cash assistance and Medicaid spending. Moreover, many same-sex couples would also discover - unhappily, one imagines - the marriage penalty in the federal income tax system, resulting in a likely increase in tax revenue.
    http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...exmarriage.pdf

    Economic Impact Reports | Williams Institute

    If individual states bring in more tax revenue, that is less money that is needed from other sources, such as the federal government for those states. Plus, if more people are covered, by law, under private insurance, it means less qualifying for Medicaid/Medicare. It also means that both partners' incomes must be considered when applying for assistance. A person could get assistance if they are single but not qualify if their spouse makes a good amount of money.

    There is plenty of research that proves wrong the belief that same sex marriage will cost anyone else money. Not allowing same sex couples to marry in fact costs taxpayers a ton of money in just fighting it alone. Such as the recent costs incurred from defending DOMA just this past year+.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You are the one not being truthful or ignoring what is the truth about government benefits of marriage. Most of those are not financial benefits, but rather protections from the government and familial rights. You want to see it differently, likely because you have set your mind that single people are not being treated fairly. You simply are not correct.

    Married people are not receiving this huge tax break, nor any huge government benefits. Much of what they do receive is easily compensated for by what they provide to society.
    Most subsidies are small in themselves. But here one, there one and a few more over there and government closes down.

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