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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    If you're married, you're getting 'benefits', such as tax exemptions. Is that why you got married? Why would you be so spiteful to say that gays only get married for money?
    No, not really. We both pay to the hilt.

    If I said gays want marriage status because of the money alone, I want to excuse myself. I do know of cases, where this is the case. But it would not be true of all much as it is not true of many hetero marriages.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    So no SSM marriage tax status is fine, with SSM it must all disappear?
    I would have thought, it should have gone years ago. Where children are being brought up it is a different thing.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    If you do not consider equality to be a good reason, there are plenty of regimes in the world that share your viewpoint.
    Try and think thing through clearly before you make embarrassing statements. You don't realize there is a difference between girls and boys and a potentially different outcome from gay sex?

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Try and think thing through clearly before you make embarrassing statements. You don't realize there is a difference between girls and boys and a potentially different outcome from gay sex?
    What does anybody's sex life have to do with you? Why do you want to put your nose into their business?
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Try and think thing through clearly before you make embarrassing statements. You don't realize there is a difference between girls and boys and a potentially different outcome from gay sex?
    How odd. I do not feel any embarrassment, whatsoever.

    Of course, I am as secure in my intellectual capacity as I am in my sexuality, so I have no need to joust at windmills, but if you prefer to do so because of your own insecurity, be my guest.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I would have thought, it should have gone years ago. Where children are being brought up it is a different thing.
    So you were against the provisions in the tax codes before people started talking about SSM?
    Ok then until or if it changes what does that have to do with SSM, why should gays not be entitled to the same situation as straight couples?
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    If you do not consider equality to be a good reason, there are plenty of regimes in the world that share your viewpoint.
    exactly

    some people simply dont like equality and freedom though
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I think I understand the social functions of marriage and the tax implications okay and you are about right, but not quite.


    For one thing the alteration of the word's meaning is quite significant. Alone the reproductive function of marriage would exemplify that. If reproduction is not possible it is not marriage. Also it would seem to me a substantial benefit to reduce taxes by Half. I can't do that for my cleaning man. I can only deduct him.

    But do not get me wrong. I see no problem in civil contracts for living together. I just would not call it marriage. And I think that probably the subsidies for marriage are wrong to begin with. Tax money should only be used for thinks whose benefit to society can be quantified.
    Your biggest problem with bringing up reproductive function of marriage is the fact that reproduction is not only not a requirement of marriage in the US, but is in fact a hindrance to certain marriages in the US, such as those between some cousins in some states. Plus, marriage is not a requirement of reproduction either.

    Most of what many think is a "tax advantage" within marriage simply isn't. It does help some people, but most married couples even out and make out the same whether married or single. And without those things that do bring advantages to some couples, other couples would be penalized by marriage. It is a give and take. But it would be stupid to treat married couples as each single because they do live a life different than two separate single people. They share much more than most single people do, in terms of things that are taxed or expenses that would go into finances, and ultimately get back to what is taxed.

    And there is enough evidence to prove that marriage benefits society to justify what little advantage is gained in some people's taxes from marriage. There is in fact more advantage to marriage than there is having children, so if marriage benefits were lost, then so should child tax credits especially, and it is not at all likely those would go away.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Of course they don't own the meaning. But the word had a meaning, when the original laws were written. If the meaning is changed, the laws need to be adapted. That is fine.

    As it is probably out dated to have taxes and subsidies granted to married couples in any event, maybe we should just have everyone stand on his own. One person, one tax, one social security etc.
    Marriage is a concept, not a physical thing. Its meaning is going to change with time. It is just how it works.

    No, it is not right to treat two married people, who share expenses and major purchases and mortgages and home ownership and take care of each other in bad times and many who raise children together, in a committed relationship, as if they are simply two single people. That would cause us way more problems with taxes overall.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    To tell you the truth, I really do not care, who lives together, if it does not cost society money. I just do not think it sensible to change the meaning of a quite useful sociological term for no good reason.
    It is for a good use to maintain the one legal institution of marriage, and simply opening up to same sex couples to enter into, since, legally they can without any problems. That good thing is in fact to save society money. Two institutions that function the exact same way, but under a different term will inherently cost more for no other reason but to maintain a traditional meaning to a word that doesn't need to be maintained. It is foolish.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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