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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Who cares? Many Muslim leaders believe that educating women is committing major sins against God. Their beliefs should be no more a part of our government than Christian beliefs.
    Fully d'accord. But that was not the point.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Only that you had said that gay marriage was a Christian thing to do. I thought it only right to point out to you that one of the guys who defines these things is of different opinion than you. If you want to go on believing it, it is fine by me.
    And many church leaders disagree with that opinion. If you think all Christian churches are against SSM you would be factually wrong.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Legally, in everything that matters within legal marriage, men and women are treated the same. Spouses can be easily changed with each other within legal marriage or even personal marriages, since personal marriage is whatever each couple/group makes of it.

    Marriage is a right because it is not the government's or society's place to tell people that they can't decide who they want to be with and who they want to be part of their family or who they want to make decisions for them or to get all the benefits of marriage just because of race or sex/gender.

    Most benefits of marriage do not cost society anything, but do in fact benefit society a great deal. As long as there is any marriage, you are paying for something within that marriage. Heck, at this very moment you are helping to pay for my medical insurance and for my housing because of my legal marriage.

    If Christian beliefs were so "well defined", there would not be over 41000 denominations of Christianity. And this is only those that have established distinct recognizable churches, different than other churches. It does not include varying individual Christian beliefs, where the person either doesn't go to any church or just goes to the church that most closely matches their own beliefs.
    To tell you the truth, I really do not care, who lives together, if it does not cost society money. I just do not think it sensible to change the meaning of a quite useful sociological term for no good reason.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    And many church leaders disagree with that opinion. If you think all Christian churches are against SSM you would be factually wrong.
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    Oh, I did not mean to imply that all Christians have been as rigorous as the Lutherans, Orthodox Churches or Catholics in canonical ethics.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Oh, I did not mean to imply that all Christians have been as rigorous as the Lutherans, Orthodox Churches or Catholics in canonical ethics.
    So basically you have no point.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    To tell you the truth, I really do not care, who lives together, if it does not cost society money. I just do not think it sensible to change the meaning of a quite useful sociological term for no good reason.
    I and many others do not think it sensible to deny others rights because some people get offended for no good reason
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I just do not think it sensible to change the meaning of a quite useful sociological term for no good reason.
    Words change meanings all the time. We don't write laws to stop people from changing what they mean when they use a word. For example, once upon a time, 'sensible' meant 'perceive' or 'feel', 'change' came from a latin word meaning 'to barter'. Should your sentence above be outlawed to preserve old meanings of words? Should we have laws -- possibly even Constitutional Amendments -- for ever word in the dictionary to make sure that the language doesn't change and evolve over time like it has been doing since man first began to speak?

    Men used to be able to marry as many women as they could afford to buy from their fathers in dowry money, and the girl had no say in it once her father accepted the dowry payment for her. Since we're now limiting it to only one wife, and she's allowed to refuse, and her father can't sell her, should it be illegal to call it 'marriage', since that's not the same as the traditional arrangement?

    Words change in meaning over time. That's just the way language is. English was once a proto-germanic language -- a dialect of the same runic language that became German and Dutch. Now it's a distinct language that barely resembles either of the above. That's just what happens over time, and you can't stop it.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    1.)Only that you had said that gay marriage was a Christian thing to do. I thought it only right to point out to you that one of the guys who defines these things is of different opinion than you. If you want to go on believing it, it is fine by me.
    actually i never said that please dont lie, it just makes your post more of a fail. What i said was "who" said its unchristian and what about the millions of Christians that are ok with equal rights for gays and as i christian myself im not riled up over it because that would be beyond stupid. Nice try at a reframe thought but it fails too.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    So basically you have no point.
    If that is what you think. I am not here to teach you.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    actually i never said that please dont lie, it just makes your post more of a fail. What i said was "who" said its unchristian and what about the millions of Christians that are ok with equal rights for gays and as i christian myself im not riled up over it because that would be beyond stupid. Nice try at a reframe thought but it fails too.
    Which is the same thing in normal language. But forget it.

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