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    Re: Do you have a positive or negative view of MICHAEL MOORE and WHY...

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    I am not mischaracterizing Moore's work. I've watched neary every one of his movies more than once, and I've read more than one of his books. He is very much an open socialist. Lenin would be proud of him (Lenin, as you might not know, considered communism to be the next step after socialism...but that even Lenin did not claim the USSR had progressed to communism). Instead of bringing out the historical boogeyman who best represents evil, shall I instead bring up Lenin and compare Lenin to Moore? That might not be so offensive to you.

    The fact that you brought up "American workers" plays right into my argument. Mussolini wrote extensively about protecting Italian workers from cheap foreign labor, as did many other statists. That argument is extremely xenophobic and completely misleading.



    Of course, but I think you're confusing two different things. It's possible to believe in small government and still maintain "big social agendas." A "big social agenda" could be a large private organization dedicated to providing charity for those less fortunate. You don't need a large government to maintain such a big social agenda, so the ideology remains consistent. I don't see your point here.
    And again, you're lying. He is a socialist just as most citizens of Norway are Socialist. Unless you think Scandinavian nations are dictatorships and their people are horribly oppressed. If you do, then I suppose your views are consistent.

    Otherwise, you're doing as much lying and propagandizing as you accuse Moore of doing.

    If anything, Moore is guilty of overstating his case through non-typical examples.

    You're doing the exact same thing by comparing the defense of work to dictators who slaughtered millions.

    Your comparison is inaccurate; it shows that you are completely hyperbolic; prone to exaggeration; and base your views not on facts, but on the things you've read and heard in right-wing media (which is just as bad as anything Moore has done - but worse, because they have daily audiences who actually believe them as opposed to approximately bi-annual bursts of popularity).

    Oh, and neutral should have been a choice in your poll; but that's further evidence of your black and white thinking.

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    Re: Do you have a positive or negative view of MICHAEL MOORE and WHY...

    The only example of his work I've seen is Bowling for Columbine. In his movie, he examines possible reasons why we have so many gun murders in this country as compared to others, and comes up with nothing. He suggests that it is due to "white America's fear of black America", and never examines that conclusion. The issue of our incessant gang wars doesn't even come up for examination.

    He starts with a conclusion, then tries to find facts to match. I find him to be less than credible.
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    Re: Do you have a positive or negative view of MICHAEL MOORE and WHY...

    Have to admire the guys passion. Think he does tend to go over the top a bit in his films, but also believe he is completely genuine in (what i would call) his far left political/societal positions.

    I just don't happen to agree with much he says.



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    Re: Do you have a positive or negative view of MICHAEL MOORE and WHY...

    These things that you say, Elijah, do you have any proof, other than right-wing hate sites.
    And I have seen these - disgusting!

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    Re: Do you have a positive or negative view of MICHAEL MOORE and WHY...

    If he was more accurate, then I would take him more seriously but now my opinion of him is negative. Mind you I haven't watched his more recent movies.

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    Re: Do you have a positive or negative view of MICHAEL MOORE and WHY...

    Through the many interviews I've seen of him, he has made it clear to me that he is pro-Socialism in America. But at the same time his documentaries can make people aware of failing policies in this country. I wish he did it in a less bias and less misleading way though. I have to say negative.

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    Re: Do you have a positive or negative view of MICHAEL MOORE and WHY...

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    With what you say here, you are no better than what you accuse Moore of. Propaganda.

    So, you think free speech and societal criticism is the same thing as killing Jews and Cambodians?

    Hyperbolic, much?
    Sorry that I proved Mike Godwin correct. But my assertion still remains credible. Moore has no problem with socialism and therefore has no problem with totalitarian regimes. In my mind, Hitler, Stalin, Castro, and Pol Pot were all evil. I've had debates with people who thought one should be considered "more evil" than the other, but I find tha debate pointless. This debate has a point, and it deals with the concept of socialism. Socialism is no longer considered a "dirty" political word. It is now acceptable, even preferable, that American politicians take on the mantel of European socialism.

    And is it propaganda to point out the truth about Moore and Chomsky? Does anyone forget that Chomsky denied the killing fields were taking place, despite the massive evidence to the contrary? Moore is to Cuba what Chomsky is to Cambodia.

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    Re: Do you have a positive or negative view of MICHAEL MOORE and WHY...

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    These things that you say, Elijah, do you have any proof, other than right-wing hate sites.
    And I have seen these - disgusting!
    I don't consider myself "right-wing" and I do not browse right-wing sites.

    I don't even recognize a right wing of sorts.

    My proof is in the documentary. Moore shows us, himself, what's it like to be sick in Cuba, and implying how superior their system is to ours (completely neglecting the reality of the situation).

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    Re: Do you have a positive or negative view of MICHAEL MOORE and WHY...

    I have a mixed to slightly positive opinion of Moore. I like that he confronts problems most people would rather ignore. Roger and Me is a good example of this. But I think his conclusions are based on a lot of faulty assumptions and bad analysis, for example his thesis that "capitalism is evil."

    I will give him one thing. He and the right wing share many of the same misconceptions about what capitalism is. Given those misconceptions, capitalism would be evil, and it would be pretty despicable to defend it. If only for that reason, he's a better man than Limbaugh.

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    Re: Do you have a positive or negative view of MICHAEL MOORE and WHY...

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    And again, you're lying. He is a socialist just as most citizens of Norway are Socialist. Unless you think Scandinavian nations are dictatorships and their people are horribly oppressed. If you do, then I suppose your views are consistent.

    Otherwise, you're doing as much lying and propagandizing as you accuse Moore of doing.

    If anything, Moore is guilty of overstating his case through non-typical examples.

    You're doing the exact same thing by comparing the defense of work to dictators who slaughtered millions.

    Your comparison is inaccurate; it shows that you are completely hyperbolic; prone to exaggeration; and base your views not on facts, but on the things you've read and heard in right-wing media (which is just as bad as anything Moore has done - but worse, because they have daily audiences who actually believe them as opposed to approximately bi-annual bursts of popularity).

    Oh, and neutral should have been a choice in your poll; but that's further evidence of your black and white thinking.
    I believe citizens of Norway consider themselves "Democratic Socialists" or "Socialist Democrats." Either way, I believe their foundation is based on Marxist-Leninist belief systems. Btw, I did not specifically reference dictatorships. I mentioned totalitarianism, which is slightly different.

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