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    Re: Your views on euthanisia, assisted suicide, suicide and attempted suicide.

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Unless they're suffering from some other condition that you thinks justifies suicide. And this is my problem with your position, and the position of the medical establishment-- you are claiming that you are the only ones with the training to decide whether or not someone's life is worth living when that judgement and that decision belongs rightfully, in all cases, with the person who must live the life whose terms you are dictating.
    No. What I am saying is that if you are suffering from a mental illness and that one of those symptoms is suicidal ideation, that mental illness is a mitigating factor that prevents you from accurately assessing your ability to judge and make that decision.


    By definition. And by nothing but definition, because your rationality argument is nothing but circular reasoning.
    Not in the least. One can easily see the difference through criteria and standards via a differential diagnosis.



    It is not your place to decide.
    If they have a mental illness, they cannot accurately assess to make that decision. It is not my place to decide, but it IS my place to treat them so they can.
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    Re: Your views on euthanisia, assisted suicide, suicide and attempted suicide.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No. What I am saying is that if you are suffering from a mental illness and that one of those symptoms is suicidal ideation, that mental illness is a mitigating factor that prevents you from accurately assessing your ability to judge and make that decision.
    In other words, you are free to make that decision unless you want to make a decision they disagree with.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Not in the least. One can easily see the difference through criteria and standards via a differential diagnosis.
    Except one of your "criteria" is that the patient wants to die. You are saying that people have the right to die unless they are irrational, and then declaring that anyone who wants to die is irrational and thus should not be allowed to die. How is that not circular reasoning, and how does this constitute anything less than you granting yourself the authority to determine whose suffering justifies suicide and whose does not?

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    Re: Your views on euthanisia, assisted suicide, suicide and attempted suicide.

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    In other words, you are free to make that decision unless you want to make a decision they disagree with.
    No, I'm not saying that. Major Depression, for example, has some very specific criteria that must be met for the diagnosis to be given. I someone wants to die, and meets that criteria, they have that disorder... mitigating them from accurately assessing their ability to judge and make that decision. If they do NOT meet the criteria, then their ability to assess would not be mitigated. Like I sadi, two different situtations, dependant on a set of criteria that diagnoses a disorder.



    Except one of your "criteria" is that the patient wants to die. You are saying that people have the right to die unless they are irrational, and then declaring that anyone who wants to die is irrational and thus should not be allowed to die. How is that not circular reasoning, and how does this constitute anything less than you granting yourself the authority to determine whose suffering justifies suicide and whose does not?
    Your comment above is contradictory. "One of my criteria IS that the patient wants to die". "Anyone who wants to die is irrational". These two things are contradictory. I said the first. I never said the second. Read above, in this post.
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
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    Re: Your views on euthanisia, assisted suicide, suicide and attempted suicide.

    Same. Also - who knows how to do this? Taking every pill in the medicine chest is probably not recommended. As in - certain mixtures causing vomiting which would render the entire exercise futile.

    And I wouldn't want my cat left behind until somebody noticed I had passed.

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    I would rather have assistance. I do not want to die alone, and an assistant can guarantee that the job is finished.

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    Re: Your views on euthanisia, assisted suicide, suicide and attempted suicide.

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Same. Also - who knows how to do this?
    A large caliber firearm directed backward and upward from inside the mouth is practically guaranteed. If it does not succeed, your friend would be able to fire a second shot.

    In Japan, a man would ask a trusted friend to watch his ritual suicide and would cut his friend's head off once he showed signs of discomfort.

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Taking every pill in the medicine chest is probably not recommended.
    I have a large supply of benzodiazepenes and heart medication. That and a bottle of Schnapps should do the trick easily.

    It's not hard to get a prescription for most things.

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    Re: Your views on euthanisia, assisted suicide, suicide and attempted suicide.

    I suppose it all starts with, who owns your body?
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