View Poll Results: When should the United States of America go to war?

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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    My understanding is that the vote on Iraq authorized the use of force but was not a declaration of war.
    Your understanding? From what authoratative source?

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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Your understanding? From what authoratative source?

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    Declaration of war by the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The War Powers Resolution

    In 1973, following the withdrawal of most American troops from the Vietnam War, a debate emerged about the extent of presidential power in deploying troops without a declaration of war. A compromise in the debate was reached with the War Powers Resolution. This act clearly defined how many soldiers could be deployed by the President of the United States and for how long. It also required formal reports by the President to Congress regarding the status of such deployments, and limited the total amount of time that American forces could be employed without a formal declaration of war.

    Although the constitutionality of the act has never been tested, it is usually followed, most notably during the Grenada Conflict, the Panamanian Conflict, the Somalia Conflict, the Gulf War, and the Iraq War. The only exception was President Clinton's use of U.S. troops in the 78-day NATO air campaign against Serbia during the Kosovo War.[citation needed] In all other cases, the President asserted the constitutional authority to commit troops without the necessity of Congressional approval, but in each case the President received Congressional authorization that satisfied the provisions of the War Powers Act.

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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    The posts above answered quite accurately.

    We can also look to the founders for guidance.

    Thomas Jefferson said "Commerce with all nations, alliances with none."

    The notion that we can spread democracy through the barrel of a gun is asinine. It's our global occupation, placing of sanctions and embargos and overdoing our military aggressiveness that makes us more isolated and hated around the world. It weakens our defense.

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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Pretty much whenever the opportunity presents itself. At least every couple decades or so, whether we have an excuse or not. War is necessary for the economy and for maintaining the martial spirit of the nation, and is generally good for the species.
    Quote Originally Posted by James Madison
    Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people. The same malignant aspect in republicanism may be traced in the inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and in the degeneracy of manners and of morals engendered by both. No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.
    Korimyr,

    The founders knew better. Constant war saps the economy, empowers the state, and degrades the ethics of the people. It's fundamentally incompatible with a free economy and society.

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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    Explicitly* not implicitly xD

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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    Oh, Wikipedia.... well that settles it. They are certainly the highest authority to which some folks refer or recognize.

    When I said authoritative source, I was referring to some official document, court decision, or law that defined Declaration of War. If there is none, how can you claim the USA Congress has to explicitly use the phrase in a resolution?

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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Oh, Wikipedia.... well that settles it. They are certainly the highest authority to which some folks refer or recognize.

    When I said authoritative source, I was referring to some official document, court decision, or law that defined Declaration of War. If there is none, how can you claim the USA Congress has to explicitly use the phrase in a resolution?

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    As far as Wikipedia goes, it is a fine reference for undisputed facts, like a Declaration of War and the War Powers Act. It is a peer reviewed encyclopedia. Snarky comments here get you nowhere.

    Next up, I never claimed the US has to use that phrase in a resolution.

    The foregoing reference to the War Powers Act that you so brilliantly discarded defines how an authorization to use force meets the requirements of the Constitution (hint: look at article 1 section 8).

    You want an authoritative source? Go find it your ****ing self. I'm not doing research for you.

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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    As far as Wikipedia goes, it is a fine reference for undisputed facts, like a Declaration of War and the War Powers Act. It is a peer reviewed encyclopedia.
    If you say so.

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    You want an authoritative source? Go find it your ****ing self. ....
    Oh my, Sweetie, you don't need to get all nasty.

    From previous post:
    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib
    My understanding is that the vote on Iraq authorized the use of force but was not a declaration of war.
    So you don't really have a valid source. It is just what you want to believe... Gotcha.

    I asked a simple question and you made a definitive statement that didn't address the question and, turns out, for which you don't have a valid source. Why didn't you just say you don't really know what the hell you are talking about.


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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    If you say so.

    Oh my, Sweetie, you don't need to get all nasty.

    From previous post:
    So you don't really have a valid source. It is just what you want to believe... Gotcha.

    I asked a simple question and you made a definitive statement that didn't address the question and, turns out, for which you don't have a valid source. Why didn't you just say you don't really know what the hell you are talking about.


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    I have no idea why you busted in so argumentative when I said it was my opinion. It is tiresome. You are so ignored.

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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I have no idea why you busted in so argumentative when I said it was my opinion. It is tiresome. You are so ignored.
    Actually, you said it was your understanding. I simply asked on what that understanding was based. And, Sweetie, you are the one that got nasty.

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