View Poll Results: When should the United States of America go to war?

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  • Always (I'll be surprised if anyone chooses this)

    6 5.41%
  • Frequently.

    0 0%
  • Often

    0 0%
  • Only when moderately necessary.

    4 3.60%
  • Sometimes.

    2 1.80%
  • When necessary.

    33 29.73%
  • Only when extremely necessary.

    30 27.03%
  • Rarely.

    4 3.60%
  • Almost never.

    8 7.21%
  • Never (Probably more people will choose this than the other extreme).

    24 21.62%
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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

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    I think most Muslims support terrorism
    and that is not the same as saying most muslims ARE terrorists.....

    Right after 9/11 the local school had to tell a muslim fathery that his kids repeat what they hear at home, and that celebrating 9/11 was not such a good idea....

    Personally, I don't know how we can know the percentage of muslims support terrorism, but surely you cannot deny that in the last few decades, the majority of terrorists have been muslim.
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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Sorry sir you quite simply don't have a freaking clue what you're talking about the Senate Phase 2 Report was pure partisan politics and was written before, the Pentagon Review of the DOCEX release entitled "Iraqi Perspectives Project, Saddam and Terrorism: Emerging Insights from Captured Iraqi Documents (Redacted)," which proves my assertions beyond any reasonable doubt.



    Here's a link to the full report:

    Iraqi Perspectives Project: Saddam and Terrorism

    Here's a rather telling document from DOCEX:
    Those documents have been available since 2003 and were considered by the committee when it prepared its report. They confirm what we already knew about Saddam. He collaborated with Islamists on occasion, mainly to help prepare for the possibility of an invasion by the US, but had no working relationship with Al Qaeda or its goals.

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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The Spanish Inquisition got a bunch of people. You can say that not many deaths happened from their trials. But the trials were a witch hunt of sorts and shouldn't have happened in the first place. And there were a lot of trials. So sure, few could have yielded death sentences; but because there was so many that still means a significant number of people were put to death. And the Spanish Inquisition is not the only inquisition to be had. Additionally there great battles in Europe against varying sects of Christianity. And the tradition of protestant vs catholic is alive today (though maybe not quite as violent anymore) in places like Ireland. Christianity was used a lot for warfare, particularly between crowns in Europe. The main thing with Christianity is that eventually we divorced it from our governments and allowed religion to be free. And when we did, we saw that religion started to become far less violent. But you can't pretend like Christianity never did anything bad. State religions get abused.
    Did I ever say that the Christian faith was never abused? Sure it was. However, there would have been wars between the crowned heads of Europe, with or without religion. Religion was often used as a cover for personal ambition and greed by the crowned heads of Europe. Of course, without Martin Luther and his heretical movement, there would have been no Catholic-Protestant conflicts, would there have been...
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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I hear he wanted Bush Sr. dead, and that was the reason Bush Jr. invaded Iraq....That is more believeable than Saddam wanting to attack the U. S.
    Saddam had already had his butt kicked in the first Gulf war, he was all talk by the time the second war was being considered.
    Who are Bush Sr. and Bush Jr.?
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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Did I ever say that the Christian faith was never abused? Sure it was. However, there would have been wars between the crowned heads of Europe, with or without religion. Religion was often used as a cover for personal ambition and greed by the crowned heads of Europe. Of course, without Martin Luther and his heretical movement, there would have been no Catholic-Protestant conflicts, would there have been...
    And there will be wars between us and the Middle Eastern people, with or without religion, as long as we believe we're entitled to exploit them.

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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Who are Bush Sr. and Bush Jr.?
    are you kidding?
    Sr. is George Herbert Walker Bush, Jr. is his son, George W. Bush. I realize they aren't really sr. and jr., but the connection should be intuitively obvious to the most casual observer....
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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    Well, there have been some interesting responses, but somehow this discussion has degraded to an argument about which religion killed the most people.


    IMO, no religion ever killed a single person - rather, people who believed their religion allowed/told/etc. them to kill people - killed people.


    Religion is often simply a method of control/direction, or at least it can be used as such, by those with the will to do so.


    It is when a person or groups of persons used a religion to control/direct people, that other people died.


    A religion itself is incapable of killing anyone.


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    But back on topic.


    I, personally, think that the US should only go to war (or any conflict, even if it’s not called “war”) if it is necessary.


    Necessary, of course, must be defined for that statement to have any real meaning.


    I don’t know all the possible reasons, but it would seem that, if the priority goal of the military is to protect the country, then any even oblique threat could be used as an excuse.


    What threats merit direct military action, of course, is a judgment call on the part of the administrating powers at the time.


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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    are you kidding?
    Sr. is George Herbert Walker Bush, Jr. is his son, George W. Bush. I realize they aren't really sr. and jr., but the connection should be intuitively obvious to the most casual observer....
    Right, they are NOT sr. and jr.... thank you for admitting your error....
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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    And there will be wars between us and the Middle Eastern people, with or without religion, as long as we believe we're entitled to exploit them.
    Except from the beginning, religion was the very reason for their aggression...
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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Right, they are NOT sr. and jr.... thank you for admitting your error....
    Thank you for picking nits....
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