View Poll Results: When should the United States of America go to war?

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  • Frequently.

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  • Only when moderately necessary.

    4 3.60%
  • Sometimes.

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  • When necessary.

    33 29.73%
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Thread: When should the United States of America go to war?

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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Saddam was plotting with Islamic Extremists (including AQ affiliates) to attack the U.S. right up until the fall of Baghdad.

    I hear repeating things makes them true. (in your head)

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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Except she did say the second and not the first. It's not my fault, and I did not make it up. That would have been the point of my quoting her stating it.
    Well, somebody can't read....go to her post, number 133, then your response, number 135. read very, very carefully....
    she did NOT say the second, did say the first....
    If you have proof, tell me the post number...
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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Well, somebody can't read....go to her post, number 133, then your response, number 135. read very, very carefully....
    she did NOT say the second, did say the first....
    If you have proof, tell me the post number...
    Post 140, which I quoted to you earlier:

    Quote Originally Posted by chickie View Post
    I think most Muslims support terrorism
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    Only after we have been attacked and then only after an **actual** declaration of war from Congress. I am tired of these "conflicts" that put our fellow Americans in harms way without a formal declaration. Furthermore, I would pull our troops from everywhere EXCEPT here.
    From the ashes.

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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    I hear repeating things makes them true. (in your head)
    Don't let the facts stand in the way of a good story sport. The Pentagon Review of the DOCEX release proves my assertions but I don't think it made it to the cover of Pravda so I doubt that you've heard of it.

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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    only if we are attacked or to pre-empt an attack against us
    Iraq and Afghanistan were mistakes

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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    Nope.
    Sorry sir you quite simply don't have a freaking clue what you're talking about the Senate Phase 2 Report was pure partisan politics and was written before, the Pentagon Review of the DOCEX release entitled "Iraqi Perspectives Project, Saddam and Terrorism: Emerging Insights from Captured Iraqi Documents (Redacted)," which proves my assertions beyond any reasonable doubt.

    WASHINGTON A Pentagon review of about 600,000 documents captured in the Iraq war attests to Saddam Hussein's willingness to use terrorism to target Americans and work closely with jihadist organizations throughout the Middle East.

    The report, released this week by the Institute for Defense Analyses, says it found no "smoking gun" linking Iraq operationally to Al Qaeda. But it does say Saddam collaborated with known Al Qaeda affiliates and a wider constellation of Islamist terror groups.

    The report also undercuts the claim made by many on the left and many at the CIA that Saddam, as a national socialist, was incapable of supporting or collaborating with the Islamist al Qaeda. The report concludes that instead Iraq's relationship with Osama bin Laden's organization was similar to the relationship between the rival Colombian cocaine cartels in the 1990s. Both were rivals in some sense for market share, but also allies when it came to expanding the size of the overall market.

    The Pentagon study finds, "Recognizing Iraq as a second, or parallel, 'terror cartel' that was simultaneously threatened by and somewhat aligned with its rival helps to explain the evidence emerging from the detritus of Saddam's regime."

    A long time skeptic of the connection between al Qaeda and Iraq and a former CIA senior Iraq analyst, Judith Yaphe yesterday said, "I think the report indicates that Saddam was willing to work with almost any group be it nationalist or Islamic, that was willing to work for his objectives. But in the long term he did not trust many of the Islamist groups, especially those linked to Saudi Arabia or Iran." She added, "He really did want to get anti-American operations going. The fact that they had little success shows in part their incompetence and unwilling surrogates."

    A former Bush administration official who was a member of the counter-terrorism evaluation group that analyzed terror networks and links between terrorists and states, David Wurmser, said he felt the report began to vindicate his point of view.

    "This is the beginning of the process of exposing Saddam's involvement in Islamic terror. But it is only the beginning. Time and declassification I'm sure will reveal yet more," he said. "Even so, this report is damning to those who doubted Saddam Hussein's involvement with Jihadist terrorist groups. It devastates one of the central myths plaguing our government prior to 9-11, that a Jihadist group would not cooperate with a secular regime and vice versa."

    The report concludes that Saddam until the final months of his regime was willing to attack America. Its conclusion asks "Is there anything in the captured archives to indicate that Saddam had the will to use his terrorist capabilities directly against the United States?" It goes on, "Judging from Saddam's statements before the 1991 Gulf War with the United States, the answer is yes." As for after the Gulf War, the report states, "The rise of Islamist fundamentalism in the region gave Saddam the opportunity to make terrorism, one of the few tools remaining in Saddam's 'coercion' tool box." It goes on, "Evidence that was uncovered and analyzed attests to the existence of a terrorist capability and a willingness to use it until the day Saddam was forced to flee Baghdad by Coalition forces." The report does note that it is unclear whether Saddam would have authorized terrorism against American targets in the final months of his regime before Operation Iraqi Freedom five years ago. "The answer to the question of Saddam's will in the final months in power remains elusive," it says.

    Report Details Saddam's Terrorist Ties - March 14, 2008 - The New York Sun
    Here's a link to the full report:

    Iraqi Perspectives Project: Saddam and Terrorism

    Here's a rather telling document from DOCEX:

    Wednesday, April 05, 2006

    March 2001 Document: Saddam Regime Recruits Suicide Terrorists to Hit US Interests (Translation)


    Page 6 from document BIAP 2003-000654 is a Top Secret letter dated March/11/2001 six months prior to 9/11/2001, proves that not only Saddam Regime supported terrorists organization like Hamas and Al Qaeda as we have learned from other documents but also they were recruiting Suicide Terrorist Bombers to hit US interests. Saddam Regime was a TERRORIST REGIME and there was no other way but to destroy it after 9/11.

    Beginning of the translation of page 6 from document BIAP 2003-000654

    In the Name of God the Merciful The Compassionate

    Top Secret

    The Command of Ali Bin Abi Taleb Air Force Base
    No 3/6/104
    Date 11 March 2001
    To all the Units

    Subject: Volunteer for Suicide Mission

    The top secret letter 2205 of the Military Branch of Al Qadisya on 4/3/2001 announced by the top secret letter 246 from the Command of the military sector of Zi Kar on 8/3/2001 announced to us by the top secret letter 154 from the Command of Ali Military Division on 10/3/2001 we ask to provide that Division with the names of those who desire to volunteer for Suicide Mission to liberate Palestine and to strike American Interests and according what is shown below to please review and inform us.

    Air Brigadier General
    Abdel Magid Hammot Ali
    Commander of Ali Bin Abi Taleb Air Force Base
    Air Colonel
    Mohamad Majed Mohamadi.
    End of translation of page 6

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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I hear he wanted Bush Sr. dead, and that was the reason Bush Jr. invaded Iraq....That is more believeable than Saddam wanting to attack the U. S.
    Saddam had already had his butt kicked in the first Gulf war, he was all talk by the time the second war was being considered.
    I don't care what sounds believable the Pentagon Review of DOCEX proves that Saddam was plotting against the U.S. with Jihadists (including AQ affiliates) right up until the fall of Baghdad.

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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    Also, the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the witch-hunts, the KKK killed more than all Muslim attacks.
    That's complete ****ing bull****.

    A) Muslims attacks annually kill more people than the Spanish Inquisition, the Witch Hunts, and the KKK did throughout their entire tenure.

    B) The Crusades were a direct response to Islamic Imperialist Expansionism.

    C) The Islamic Imperialists were responsible for the largest genocide in the history of the world until Hitler and Stalin which they perpetrated against the Hindu and Buddhists on the Indian Subcontinent.

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    Re: When should the United States of America go to war?

    And this thread has spiraled into discussing which religion has a more vile history. No religion I know of has a spotless record, and secular groups don't fare much better.
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

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