View Poll Results: Do you think we need more Independent/3rd party Senators and Congressmen?

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Thread: Time to vote for Independents/3rd Parties?

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    Re: Time to vote for Independents/3rd Parties?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Having more third parties adds in a new political problem. ... More political groups often means more fighting and dealing for allies rather than focusing on issues.
    Really, two political parties is one too many.

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    Re: Time to vote for Independents/3rd Parties?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I've voted Libertarian or Constitution Pty at times, but not with any expectation of winning: just because the two pragmatic choices were both so utterly morally repulsive to me that I could not bear to put my name to either.
    I don't understand how you can support both of those parties at the same time. They're far more opposed to each other than the Republicans and the Democrats.

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    Re: Time to vote for Independents/3rd Parties?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Not at all. I think state governments are just as corrupt as the federal government.

    I'm talking about popular initiatives on the federal level, where voters can directly make legislation. At the very least, I think the people should be able to use popular initiatives to override unpopular laws made by the federal government. While the people may not deserve the power to write laws, they should at least have the power to recall them.
    If your comment is that you want more control then you have one shot...reduce the role of federal government and empower the states. The citizens of the state MIGHT just be more inspired to vote if they knew their vote counted.

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    Re: Time to vote for Independents/3rd Parties?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    If your comment is that you want more control then you have one shot...reduce the role of federal government and empower the states. The citizens of the state MIGHT just be more inspired to vote if they knew their vote counted.
    I'm not talking about empowering the states. I'm talking about empowering the people.

    I hate state governments. I think that they are just as prone to abuses and tyranny as the federal government is. After all, it's state governments that continued segregation for 100 years, and it was the empowering of state governments by the federal government that allowed them to do so.

    So no, I don't believe in empowering states' rights. I believe in directly empowering the people. And for that I think we need the ability to affect federal legislation via national legislation. Which has absolutely nothing to do with states' rights.

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    Re: Time to vote for Independents/3rd Parties?

    If we had a voting system that gave 3rd party candidates a chance to actually be elected, I'd consider voting for one if their beliefs more closely matched my own than the candidates from the two main parties did. Until then, I'm not wasting my vote.
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    Re: Time to vote for Independents/3rd Parties?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I'm not talking about empowering the states. I'm talking about empowering the people.

    I hate state governments. I think that they are just as prone to abuses and tyranny as the federal government is. After all, it's state governments that continued segregation for 100 years, and it was the empowering of state governments by the federal government that allowed them to do so.

    So no, I don't believe in empowering states' rights. I believe in directly empowering the people. And for that I think we need the ability to affect federal legislation via national legislation. Which has absolutely nothing to do with states' rights.
    So am I. And you arent going to change the fed. So if you want greater legislative control of the government BY the people, it has to come locally.

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    Re: Time to vote for Independents/3rd Parties?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    If we had a voting system that gave 3rd party candidates a chance to actually be elected, I'd consider voting for one if their beliefs more closely matched my own than the candidates from the two main parties did. Until then, I'm not wasting my vote.
    Why blamethe system? most third parties continually shoot themselves in the foot...start there when assessing blame. Then move on to "we the people". Most people in this coutry are wrapped up tight and securely in their ideologies. They vote party ticket. They tolerate the same scumbags every two and six years going back. IF they bother to vote at all.

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    Re: Time to vote for Independents/3rd Parties?

    I'd only vote for a third party if I could find one that fit my views, which I can't, so I won't.
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    Re: Time to vote for Independents/3rd Parties?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Most of the third parties I tend to see on the ballot are either extreme right (constitutionalist, libertarian) or extreme left (green). If I could find a third party that was more centrist, I would consider it.
    I agree, I have zero interest in putting idiologs that are even more extreme in their craziness into our government, just so they tied it up further and then whine about it "not working." The wackadoo from my district is already too damn nuts and should be in a rubber room, not the halls of Congress.

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    Re: Time to vote for Independents/3rd Parties?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No.

    Time to vote the Democrats out of office. They've done enough damage over the last 60 years. Time to put them in the dustbin of history, where the trash can complain about the smell.

    Then, if the replacement Republicans aren't smart enough to swing to the right where they have to be, replace them.

    But the FIRST priority MUST be depowering the Messiah and derailing his evil agenda.
    You can still get the Democrats out of office by voting for a 3rd party candidate, but to each his own.

    But what is it going to take to convince people that neither party is good for this country? Is $13+ trillion debt and a massive deficit not enough evidence for people? Last I checked both parties were responcible for this debt... not just the Democrats... not just the Republicans... both. I agree that the Democrats should be voted out of office, but I also think the Republicans should be too. Maybe if the Republicans were as conservative as they claim to be I'd consider voting for them. But I have yet to be convinced.
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