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    Re: Is this irresponsible parenting?

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    I'm interested to know why you feel that law-abiding citizens aren't entitled to use maximum force available to protect themselves, their families or property?
    I don't see why anybody should need a gun in their home. But I'm also from a different culture where most would feel the same. We feel our families and properties are safe and secure without firearms.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    This is probably not nice since you apparently frighten easily, but a quick search of your crime picture shows that while you still got nothing on us in the gun violence arena, your criminals still got them guns...and drugs...and apparently violent crime is rising...you got some problems with some neo-nazis and muslim youth brewing...so...Im not suggesting you should move...but you might want to start stockpiling boxes...
    I don't frighten easily. I just wouldn't feel comfortable or safe in the close proximity of a firearm. And I wasn't being literal when I said I would actually move, but I said so to make the point that guns wouldn't make me feel secure and protected but uncomfortable, paranoid and unsafe.

    Neo-nazis have been a problem since the early '90s but it's not made any of us want to 'protect ourselves' with weapons. The 'muslim youth' troubles are in immigrant-only suburban areas of the larger cities, Malm in particular. Where I live there's nothing of the sort. And even with all those numbers rising on violence, drugs, rapes, murders etc - I still wouldn't get a gun. I don't live in fear of being a victim of a crime.

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    Re: Is this irresponsible parenting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhovanion View Post
    I wouldn't say it's irresponsible, but to me guns will never ever be a good thing. Ever. Unless you're a hunter, a soldier or a police officer, there is absolutely no reason for you to own a gun and I'm 100% supportive of the strict rules regarding gun ownership in Sweden (where I'm from).

    If I knew that my neighbors had guns in their house (even for protection) I'd flee the neighborhood because I wouldn't be able to sleep safely at night knowing that there was such a dangerous weapon within close proximity of my house.
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    Re: Is this irresponsible parenting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    WOW.
    And they say that Hoplophobia is a made-up term.
    Never heard. I just don't like firearms. I've always associated them with killing, war and misery.

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    Re: Is this irresponsible parenting?

    I associate firearms with shooting mush melons, beer bottles, and getting some free meat for a few months (the deer limit is like 3 in Kentucky now). Of course, that isn't proper training or proper safety when using guns, the whole shooting mush melons thing.

    I doubt (for now) I will ever run into this issue. Chances of my little girl wanting to shoot off firearms is probably going to be pretty slim.
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    Re: Is this irresponsible parenting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhovanion View Post
    I don't see why anybody should need a gun in their home. But I'm also from a different culture where most would feel the same. We feel our families and properties are safe and secure without firearms.


    I don't frighten easily. I just wouldn't feel comfortable or safe in the close proximity of a firearm. And I wasn't being literal when I said I would actually move, but I said so to make the point that guns wouldn't make me feel secure and protected but uncomfortable, paranoid and unsafe.

    Neo-nazis have been a problem since the early '90s but it's not made any of us want to 'protect ourselves' with weapons. The 'muslim youth' troubles are in immigrant-only suburban areas of the larger cities, Malm in particular. Where I live there's nothing of the sort. And even with all those numbers rising on violence, drugs, rapes, murders etc - I still wouldn't get a gun. I don't live in fear of being a victim of a crime.
    Im fine with people not comfortable around firearms. I've taught defense courses...some people have no business being AROUND firearms, let alone owning them or God forbid ever being ina place where they needed to USE them.

    I dont live in fear of being a victim either. I just recognize the reality of the situation and respond accordingly. Prepared isnt fearful. And I HOPE you guys maintain your peaceful community. Truly. Dont let any of your artists draw pictures of Muhammed or any of your politicians speak out against the prophet and you should be fine. Well...except your jews...they are kinda being targeted right now...

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    Re: Is this irresponsible parenting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhovanion View Post
    If I knew that my neighbors had guns in their house (even for protection) I'd flee the neighborhood because I wouldn't be able to sleep safely at night knowing that there was such a dangerous weapon within close proximity of my house.
    Wow. I'd hate to be that terrified of an inanimate object. You do know that far more people die in automobile accidents in America than in any and all firearm fatalities?

    I realize it's a different culture and mindset over there. But it still doesn't change that you have the highest gun violence rates (among developed countries) in the world. If you say that it's not the gun that kills people but people, then does that mean Americans are a more violent people? If so, then all the more reason to NOT have such lax view on gun ownership! It's like giving a match box to an arsonist. But if Americans are not more prone to violence than other developed countries, then it must go back to the gun being the source of the problem.

    We've hashed this out ad-nauseum. Lots of places in the world have VASTLY higher murder rates than the US. Poverty and poor government seem to be the primary factors, not the availability or legality of firearms.

    Britain may actually have more low-level street violence, mainly fueled by a lack of laws or enforcement against public drunkenness and wimpy punishment of criminals, plus a remarkable bias against self-defense with anything other than harsh language.

    America isn't Sweden. What works in Sweden won't work here. You like it where you are, fine. We'll do things OUR way, you do things your way. We like to be able to shoot criminals when they attack us or threaten our families.

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    Re: Is this irresponsible parenting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Wow. I'd hate to be that terrified of an inanimate object. You do know that far more people die in automobile accidents in America than in any and all firearm fatalities?



    We've hashed this out ad-nauseum. Lots of places in the world have VASTLY higher murder rates than the US. Poverty and poor government seem to be the primary factors, not the availability or legality of firearms.

    Britain may actually have more low-level street violence, mainly fueled by a lack of laws or enforcement against public drunkenness and wimpy punishment of criminals, plus a remarkable bias against self-defense with anything other than harsh language.

    America isn't Sweden. What works in Sweden won't work here. You like it where you are, fine. We'll do things OUR way, you do things your way. We like to be able to shoot criminals when they attack us or threaten our families.


    Im OK with breaking their kneecap, throwing them face down by their hair and then applying the heel somewhere between their axis and atlas vertebrae if there isnt a firearm handy...

    And yeah...Id prefer to keep em at greater than arms length too...best case scenario...especially if they are armed with anything that goes bang...

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    Re: Is this irresponsible parenting?

    Now - if the kid had one of those slung over his shoulder - yeah, that'd be horrible parenting
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    Re: Is this irresponsible parenting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhovanion View Post
    If I knew that my neighbors had guns in their house (even for protection) I'd flee the neighborhood because I wouldn't be able to sleep safely at night knowing that there was such a dangerous weapon within close proximity of my house.
    I sleep soundly with a semi-automatic full-choke 12 gauge shotgun less then ten feet from me and it hasn't managed to hurt me yet.

    I see nothing wrong with parents exposing their children to firearms in a responsible manner. Regardless if you choose to personally own a firearm, someone who has at least had exposure to them will be more likely to react in a calm and collected manner, should they ever be confronted with one, and less likely to panic and escalate an already dangerous situation, like someone who's unjustifiably afraid of "big bad firearms."
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    Re: Is this irresponsible parenting?

    Is this irresponsible parenting?
    The videos don't show enough for us to make a judgement about their parenting.

    I lean toward "no", it's not irresponsible parenting. It looks like the kid is wearing hearing protection and is being supervised. As long as his dad (?) is teaching him proper gun safety along with how to use them it's probably fine.

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