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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Can't really vote on this....

    I think marriage laws as they are unconstitutional.

    That said I don't think I'd necessarily agree nor support writing specifically gay marriage into the constitution.

    Nor do I personally think that marriage should be a constitutional right even though it is.

    I do think same sex couples should be able to form into whatever union the government sponsors between two people; if the government wants to call it marriage, then its a marriage, if they want to call them unions, its unions, but it should be uniformed.

    I think the word marriage should be thrown out of government entirely, because as it stands there are distinctly two different definitions of the same word...the legal definition that has zero to do with religion or any religious tradition or else it'd be unconstitutional and then the religious/societal definition that differs between belief systems.

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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Marriage is whatever we decide it is. It used to be between only a man and a woman of the same race. And in some places it was between a man and many women. We have redefined marriage many times over the course of...

    Aw, what's the use? Arguing logic and history with you won't change your mind.

    Excellent point - it should be left up to the states to define what is and is not marriage - and it should NOT be left up to activist or conservative judges to overturn the will of the people of that state.
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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Gay marriage is not a Constitutional right, nor should gay marriage ever be legalized. The homosexual union is not marriage nor can it properly fit the definition of the legal heterosexual one. If anything, civil unions identical to marriage would be acceptable.
    It doesn't involve heterosexuals. It would be different. Marriage and it's laws should be for everyone. Gay or straight.
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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    The US Supreme Court disagrees with you since they have declared it a right.
    You'll have to back that up with some proof.
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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    See Loving v. Virginia for more on that, Crunch.
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    LOVING v. VIRGINIA, 388 U.S. 1 (1967)
    388 U.S. 1
    LOVING ET UX. v. VIRGINIA.
    APPEAL FROM THE SUPREME COURT OF APPEALS OF VIRGINIA.
    No. 395.
    Argued April 10, 1967.
    Decided June 12, 1967.



    Virginia's statutory scheme to prevent marriages between persons solely on the basis of racial classifications held to violate the Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment. Pp. 4-12.
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    Sure you have the right case? The word sex is not in that ruling, so you’ll have to point out the pertinent part.
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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    The federal constitution defines what the federal government cannot do. It has nothing to do with granted rights, but rights that may not be infringed upon.

    Marriage does not qualify. Marriage licensing is a privilege granted at the state level. Marriage should never be part of the constitution because the way it's defined, and its limitations, have been subject to change for centuries.
    That is totally backwards. The Constitution limits government to just the enumerated powers listed in the Constitution........ those powers and no other.

    Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Can't really vote on this....

    I think marriage laws as they are unconstitutional.
    They are on the federal level, but States have the right to amend their Constitutions however the people of those States decide. The reason the founders limited federal powers were so the States could have different laws depending on what the people wanted for their individual State. If you didn’t like the laws in your State you could move to another State that more closely followed your personal beliefs. If the federal government takes the power to “homogenize every State’s laws it will take that option away from, well, everybody.

    That said I don't think I'd necessarily agree nor support writing specifically gay marriage into the constitution.

    Nor do I personally think that marriage should be a constitutional right even though it is.
    I still haven't seen any proof of that as of this post.

    I do think same sex couples should be able to form into whatever union the government sponsors between two people; if the government wants to call it marriage, then its a marriage, if they want to call them unions, its unions, but it should be uniformed.

    I think the word marriage should be thrown out of government entirely, because as it stands there are distinctly two different definitions of the same word...the legal definition that has zero to do with religion or any religious tradition or else it'd be unconstitutional and then the religious/societal definition that differs between belief systems.
    The people of each State have the right to control, or not control marriage as they see fit.
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    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Your comment, "The homosexual union is not marriage nor can it properly fit the definition of the legal heterosexual one," sounded like a challenge, to me. Perhaps I was mistaken.
    Forgive me if the wording seemed too strong or provocative. It is my belief that marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman. As I said in my post, I can support civil unions with identical marriage benefits. I cannot support calling something a marriage that is not a marriage (in my opinion).
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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Forgive me if the wording seemed too strong or provocative. It is my belief that marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman. As I said in my post, I can support civil unions with identical marriage benefits. I cannot support calling something a marriage that is not a marriage (in my opinion).
    Thats a separate but equal institution. You can't do that. The only way that would fly is if you took marriage out of the government all together, and only offer civil unions to everybody.
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