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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Marriage isn't a Constitutional right and should never become one.

    Same-sex marriage, however, should absolutely be legal.
    Partly agree --- it's not Constitution and never should be... same sex "marriage" no. It's not a marriage, call it something else --- civil union, same sex union... get creative. But it's not marriage, but should have the same priveledges as a heterosexual marriage in the eyes of the law. Then I could agree to it and support it.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    The US Supreme Court disagrees with you since they have declared it a right.
    See Loving v. Virginia for more on that, Crunch.
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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Partly agree --- it's not Constitution and never should be... same sex "marriage" no. It's not a marriage, call it something else --- civil union, same sex union... get creative. But it's not marriage, but should have the same priveledges as a heterosexual marriage in the eyes of the law. Then I could agree to it and support it.
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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    All in favor, all opposed. I'm not putting any other options. Don't vote if you can't choose one or the other.
    Marriage in general isn't - why just focus on gay marriage?

    Unlike many other countries - ours does not govern marriage via the constitution within the federal government at all. It's a state-by-state basis, not a federal issue.

    The federal government has been granted no jurisdiction over our personal-relationships *at all* - who we're friends with, how we're related, who can marry, who can't - our government is strictly hands and opinions off of *any* "personal" issues what so ever in large part because of the first amendment which bars Congress from passing laws which favor or conflict with religion.

    Since marriage/gay marriage is strongly religious to many - if Congress passed a law which said "yes, allow it" then that would directly be in conflict and thus be governing religions and thus is actually unconstitutional.

    Unfortunately - it's a state by state issue . . . which sucks but that's the way the cookie crumbles.
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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    Separate but equal, right?
    No, just use a different word.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    No, just use a different word.
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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Marriage isn't a Constitutional right and should never become one.

    Same-sex marriage, however, should absolutely be legal.
    I agree with this.


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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Yes because Im tired of hearing about it. To me at least, it's a issue that matters a lot less than both sides make it out to be. If gay people want the right to be unhappy and never have sex ever again that's their damn business.
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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    No, just use a different word.
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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    The US Supreme Court disagrees with you since they have declared it a right.
    The US Supreme Court has also specifically said that state laws regarding same-sex marriage do not implicate any justiciable federal issues. See Baker v. Nelson. The Court's dismissal of the challenge to a state law prohibiting same-sex marriage constituted a ruling on the merits, and as such should have been the controlling precedent in the California case. Judge Walker took it upon himself to disregard the Court's guidance.
    As for your statement that the Court has declared marriage to be a right, I assume you are referring to Loving v. Virginia. The ruling in that case was based upon Virginia's use of a suspect classification (race) to determine eligibility for marriage. That is not the case here. No federal court has ever found sexual orientation to be a suspect classification. I believe that only 2 states (California and Hawaii) have done so. The issue is discussed in greater depth here.
    Don't get me wrong, here. I'm not commenting on the morality of gay marriage or whether a ban is good or bad public policy. My point is simply that not everything is, can, or should be addressed either at the federal level or through the Constitution. I personally do not care one way or the other what the law is in California. I don't live there and it is no concern of mine. What I do care about is the erosion of our federal system which results in national policies regarding matters which should be left to the states.
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