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Thread: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Welcome to the board. Why so serious!? </Joker quote>

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    No, no, never, never. Marriage is between a man and a woman.

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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    What's wrong with it? It's simple:

    Marriage = man + woman + legal recognition

    <fill in the space> = man + man / woman + woman + legal recognition
    <fill in the space>? OK <marriage> done.
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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    you are right in that Traditional Marriage is in the law now.
    No, Marriage is the law now, currently defined in the traditional sense.

    For many state's they have legally defined marriage within the traditional definition. Homosexuality is a sexual orientation, no where in the Constitution does it say that all sexual orientations must be allowed to have an inclusive definition within the marriage covenant for all states. State's issue the marriage license, and they have the right to define what relationships fit that license. Our laws are based on the will of the people. It's tradition to hold murder as immoral, to hold theft as immoral, and to hold disorderly conducts as immoral. Those traditions are also laws.
    However, our laws...including state laws...must adhere to the constitution. That means they must equally protect under the law. Marriage laws as they stand discriminate agaisnt both genders without a substantially shown important state interest to do such.

    The legal defense is that state's issue marriage licenses. Many states have formerly defined what marriage is in that states. A few have included homosexual unions as acceptable marital relationships. Others have restricted the definition only between one man and one woman. The legal defense is that a state and the citizens of that state have every right as a society, to define a social contract that is recognized by the law.
    Yes, as long as its constitutional. You can't have laws defined on a "social contract" that is unconstitutional.

    Could a state have a social contract saying that only males are allowed to be gainfully employed simply because its voted as such by the citizens of that state?

    So then why is it ok to say "this side of the restaurant (marriage) is for gay couples and straight couples. Now, all you other sexualities aren't even allowed inside."
    What other sexuality is there? Bisexual? They could go to either side depending on who they're coupled with. Asexual? Well, that highlights one of my issues with government sponsoring marriage at all.

    Not to mention my argument is about gender, nor sexual preference.

    If the basis for argument is that it's wrong to disallow homosexual unions from marriage because it's unlawful define marriage as an exclusive thing for one sexuality, then why can't other sexualities along side homosexuality have the right to that contract?
    That's not my argument, as I've stated numerous times in this thread.

    But even so, what "other sexualities"?

    Defining spaces in a restaurant and setting the terms for a contract are very different. Suppose there is a contract set in place that gives financial benefits to corporations. Is it wrong for that contract to limit the contract only to corporations and not to individuals?
    Government contract or private enterprise contract?

    If you're speaking of government contract, discriminating against individuals instead of groups doesn't reach a the same tier as gender under the EPC and would be questionable if its covered at all. Furthermore, I think you're arguing something that's generally an impossability...as a singular solitary individual is generally not going to be able to take care of an entire government contract that would normally require a corporation to pull off. Its not about just money, but man power, infastructure, etc.

    Is it wrong to any contract to have any boundaries?
    Nope, but its wrong to have government laws that have boundaries that are unconstitutional.

    It isn't wrong for a state to define marriage, especially when the state's give out the licenses. They have every right to set the terms, conditions, and boundaries on the contract.
    As long as they adhere to other laws, such as the constitution.

    So then why is it ok to redefine something that has been legal for centuries?
    Because its unconstitutional, just like "redefining" that black people are actually people after centuries.

    Sexuality is not the same as race. This is like comparing homosexuality to polygamy.
    Actually its not. In one case you're arguing something that is arguably essentially "born" or more to the point something that for many isn't "chosen" to something that's not chosen. In the other one you're comparing something that's arguably not "chosen" to something that has no evidence showing what so ever that its anything other than a choice.

    But then again, I am not arguing sexuality. I'm arguing gender. And Gender can definitely be compared to race when it comes to Equal Protection.

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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Civil Unions should be the legal process for all citizens.

    Marriage should be a private matter without the government involved.
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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny View Post
    Civil Unions should be the legal process for all citizens.

    Marriage should be a private matter without the government involved.
    I absolutely agree. Furthermore, the 2 need not be connected. If you wish to have a legally recognized and binding relationship with someone with all of its attendent rights and responsibilities, a civil union fits the bill. It should be a simple matter of contract law. On the other hand, if you wish to have a traditional marriage, you should be able to do so without governmental interference in accordance with your own religious preference. There should be a simple means of allowing a marriage to also be registered as a civil union with the government if the couple so desires, but it should not be necessary. Problem solved.

    Unfortunately, it is not as simple as it should be since marriage has become entangled with the tax code, etc. This never should have happened in the first place. Undoing it now may be politically impossible, and takes some aspects of the marriage relationship out of the states' control.
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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by walk-in View Post
    I absolutely agree. Furthermore, the 2 need not be connected. If you wish to have a legally recognized and binding relationship with someone with all of its attendent rights and responsibilities, a civil union fits the bill. It should be a simple matter of contract law. On the other hand, if you wish to have a traditional marriage, you should be able to do so without governmental interference in accordance with your own religious preference. There should be a simple means of allowing a marriage to also be registered as a civil union with the government if the couple so desires, but it should not be necessary. Problem solved.

    Unfortunately, it is not as simple as it should be since marriage has become entangled with the tax code, etc. This never should have happened in the first place. Undoing it now may be politically impossible, and takes some aspects of the marriage relationship out of the states' control.
    Oddly enough, I think I agree with all you just said.
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