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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

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    Did you recently watch this?

    No, it looked like a ****ty movie. But I assume it works with my idea?
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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    what stops straight people from doing that now?
    Can people do this now? I have no idea.
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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    Can people do this now? I have no idea.
    yes, people can get civil unions, which bring all the trappings of marriage, without the formailty.
    So follow me into the desert
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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Your analogy doesn't fit. This one does. You own a shark. I own a barracuda. We each have pools where our pets live. My barracuda can't come to the community pool, though, because it has a sign that says, "all SHARKS welcome". Suddenly, we realize that both sharks and barracuda's are fish. So, the community pool gets renamed "all FISH welcome". Now, your pool remains, sharks only. But the community pool is now for FISH.
    That seems more accurate as an analogy for what already exists. Marriage (as it is now) is the fish, with government "civil unions" being the barracuda and religious unions being the shark.

    If folks want something that represents more spiritual bonding, they are free to go to the place of worship of their choice. I want to separate the concepts.
    But the government recognition part is clearly what makes it significant. If it weren't the case, lots of people would get married without givernment recognition. The religious part has latched on to that legal union, and is only part of it in that sense. It does not exist on its own. Again (as I've said a million times), if this weren't true, gays would be getting married now, just without government recognition.




    Politically, no. It is similar to pro-life folks. They are willing to keep legal abortions that are the result of pregnancies caused by rape or incest, in order to prevent all other types of abortions. It's a political compromise that is more palatable to some pro-choicers. This is the same concept that I am applying here.
    So it's a compromise? That makes even less sense to me; I'd imagine that people would be even less willing to separate the concepts of religious and legal unions than to just let gays marry. That is, it's much less likely to happen.

    If you want a compromise, why not just let gays have a "civil union" and not call it marriage? If calling it marriage is so unimportant, than straight marriage can be called "marriage" and gay people with civil unions would just be gay people with the legal benefits of marriage. Most people support this already.

    Dav, I'm not saying that there would be any structural difference. There wouldn't be. But for those who are religious, there IS a difference in the bond... at least in their perception, spiritually.
    Maybe, but they don't seem to realize it; "marriage" to them seems to carry both a religious and legal meaning. Otherwise... etc.

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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    what stops straight people from doing that now?
    The disapproval of the woman, I would assume.

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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    The disapproval of the woman, I would assume.
    i wouldn't be so sure, women can go to any length for money.
    So follow me into the desert
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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Marriage is only considered a "religious union" because religions, like the government, have over time come to recognize something that already exists in a different plane - that of tradition/culture.
    It is only relatively recently that there has been any difference between what is religious, what is legal, and what is traditional. I don't think the change has been good for society.

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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    No, no, never, never. Marriage is between a man and a woman.

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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Yes, because there are no gigolos.

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    i wouldn't be so sure, women can go to any length for money.

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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by chickie View Post
    No, no, never, never. Marriage is between a man and a woman.
    men and women will still be able to get married, it won't effect you in any way.
    So follow me into the desert
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