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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    But the homosexual union itself cannot be marriage because marriage is a union between a man and woman. You can't define apples as oranges because the apples want to be oranges.
    When you define all of the things that go into a marriage, a homosexual union fits just as well as a heterosexual union.
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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The fact that marriage is a family institution and has been traditionally only offered to men and women is logical enough to not warp and redefine something to include another sexuality. And why just homosexuality, what about other sexualities? If someone has the right to redefine a legal contract, why can't a pansexual?
    Appeal to tradition logical fallacy.
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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Generally, this is my position. Probably the best solution, too. It leaves marriage to religion, and civil unions... contracts, to the government.
    Leaving marriage to religion makes no sense when you consider how little marriage has to do with religion. Atheists and the non-religious get married all the time, and the marriage is no different in inherent structure than any other marriage. Marriage is not religious, it is societal, cultural, and traditional. Religions can recognize marriage, just like the government recognizes marriage... but that doesn't make marriage itself a religious institution.

    It would be silly, pointless, and probably detrimental to have a completely separate, government-issued "civil union" that serves the same function as marriage, instead of just recognizing marriage itself as it does now.

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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Appeal to tradition logical fallacy.
    Traditions have value and should only be changed for good reasons.

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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

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    Traditions have value and should only be changed for good reasons.
    Just because something is a tradition doesn't mean that it has value.
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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Leaving marriage to religion makes no sense when you consider how little marriage has to do with religion. Atheists and the non-religious get married all the time, and the marriage is no different in inherent structure than any other marriage. Marriage is not religious, it is societal, cultural, and traditional. Religions can recognize marriage, just like the government recognizes marriage... but that doesn't make marriage itself a religious institution.

    It would be silly, pointless, and probably detrimental to have a completely separate, government-issued "civil union" that serves the same function as marriage, instead of just recognizing marriage itself as it does now.
    I disagree. A large segment of anti-GM folks, take this position for religious reasons. Marriage has been seen as a religious union for a long time... and though there is debate on whether it was formed via religion or not, it's ties to religion are pretty clear. Oh... and I would imagine that atheists do NOT get married in a church... so this would not affect them at all. I see nothing that is silly, pointless or detrimental... please explain how you would perceive it that way.
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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Traditions have value and should only be changed for good reasons.
    That doesn't mean that referring to them is a proof, logically... just because something has always been done a certain way, does not necessarily justify that this should continue... at least on it's own merits.
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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Btw, so people are aware, as of this moment, there are 61 non-member "no" votes in the poll, and 3 non-member "yes" votes.
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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Traditions have value and should only be changed for good reasons.
    i'd say this is a good reason to change tradition.

    and anyway, it changes nothing for people who enjoy the tradition around marriage, gay marriage is not detrimental to anyone.
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    Re: Gay marriage should be a constitutional right in America

    Wow!! Now I get what Navy was saying about polls being a joke. I didn't know - ah well. I phrased it wrong anyway. If I had it to do over again, I'd make it legal vs constitutional to avoid confusion, and so that only members can vote (if that's an option).

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