No, the 14th amendment should not be touched
Yes, it should be changed to only give citizenship if the mother is legally in the U.S.
Yes, it should be changed to only give citizenship if one parent is a U.S. citizen
Yes, it should be completely repealed
Other, please explain in the thread
Also, in our country, the privilege is automatically extended to individuals born in the county, not "families that belong to the nation". Let's be precise and accurate.
Last edited by Tucker Case; 08-08-10 at 01:58 PM.
Tucker Case - Tard magnet.
I agree that immigration laws should be enforced with the full force. I would also agree that the administration should listen to us when we say that this issue is important and should be address without amnesty. However, these are two different issues. I am talking about "anchor babies" and how they pertain to the 14th. You are talking about actively stripping US citizens of their citizenship because you simply don't like the situation around how their parents came here. I see a difference between the situation of the parent and the citizenship of the child. These children are not anchor babies, they are just US citizens. I liken (and take) this change to the 14th as saying all African-Americans are not citizens because we know they came from Africa and we should now send them back there. Where does this line of thinking end? It doesn't; it just makes citizenship dependent on what a majority want or what a minority can rig in an election. You don't like that these babies are citizens, okay. But your dislike doesn't make them any less born citizens of the United States of America.
Last edited by hallam; 08-08-10 at 03:19 PM.
Thank you, Quazi!
Last edited by hallam; 08-08-10 at 04:31 PM.
No need to Amend the Constitution.
The Birthright Citizenship clause was written to stop Democrats in the South from disenfranchising blacks. All that is necessary is the interpretation of the clause as it was orginally intended, to prevent political powers from denying citizenship to those lawfully here. Under no circumstances can it be condidered a blank authority for any alien who spawns on our side of the border to be given immunity from deportation on the basis of their spawn, or to grant citizenship to the spawn itself.
Birthright citizenship shall be granted to persons born in the United States if and only if the parents lawfully wedded and one of the two parents is a lawful citizen of the United States prior to the conception of the child. Under no circumstances will citizenship or even legal residence status be granted to any child born to a mother whose presence in the United States is a violation of current immigration law. No person shown to have entered the United States illegally at any time shall be granted citizenship, any citizen found to have entered illegally and fraudulenty obtained naturalization shall have their naturalization revoked. No person shall have dual citizenship.
What this means is that the children of servicemen who married aliens shall not be denied citizenship.
Lawful wives of Americans can enter the United States lawfully, hence their children will not be denied citizenship. Women claiming to be knocked up by gringos in a Tijuana whorehouse are out of luck, and no one entering the US illegally will be granted the prize of citizenship.
No amnesty for illegals, ever.
And people have to make a choice, to be either a citizen of the United States, or a citizen of some other country. If they don't want to give up their former allegiences, then they're not ready to join our club.
It's as simple as that.
Citizenship should never be a gift for someone else's criminal act. The invader spawn doesn't belong here, isn't supposed to be here, and it serves merely to prevent the deportation of the invader itself and to allow the invader to leech public services that shouldn't be applied to anyone, anyway.
Recognizing that the spawn was never anything more than a citizen of it's parent's source nation is merely common sense.
People who commit crimes should reap the reward of their evil actions?
That's okay, we're discussing the sins of the mother.This entire country is built on premises like the sins of the father don't translate to the son.
No reason she should be rewarded for her crime, either.
Meanwhile, citizenship is granted to babies of parents lawfully in the United States because their parents are citizens. It's not complicated. The kid has brown eyes because mommy has brown eyes, it has US citizenship because it's mommy has US citizenship.
Exactly. So when we deport it's mother, it would be a crime to seperate the family simply because the child was wrongly granted citizenship it's parents didn't earn for it.The baby has done nothing; has committed no crime...The parents have broken the law and they can be sent home but there is no reason to punish the child.
Why? It's not like we're having problems breeding our own citizens. Hell, we even have a national industry of public schools that produce hordes of unskilled uneducated kiddies who can't speak English. Since we don't have a shortage, we don't need to import any.Even if those parents take the child home with them, that child should still be considered a US citizen.
Or, better yet, send them, along with their parent, back to the country they're supposed to be in, and if the child wishes to emigrate from there to the US when he's older, he can get at the back of the line at the US embassy in that nation, just like everyone else, and fill out the forms and wait for our generosity.Or at least have dual citizenship until age 18 and then the option to pick one citizenship at that age.
The parent, being formerly illegal, should never be granted any form of visa at any time for any reason whatsoever.
No, they're non-citizens. So there's no conflict with being an American and sending non-citizens back to their nation of origin.To systematically reject these babies as non-citizens spits in the face of what it means to be an American.
Being "American" does not mean being "gullible", "stupid", "soft-headed", "soft-hearted", "ignorant", "foolish", "easy", or "simple".
The baby was not a legal entry.It says that we have rejected the ideals of the country that accepts all legal comers (again, the baby has broken no laws).
If you insist that it was, please point to the approved immigration application the pregnant mother filled out prior to entering the United States.