View Poll Results: Should the 14th Amendment be changed or repealed

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  • No, the 14th amendment should not be touched

    34 55.74%
  • Yes, it should be changed to only give citizenship if the mother is legally in the U.S.

    4 6.56%
  • Yes, it should be changed to only give citizenship if one parent is a U.S. citizen

    15 24.59%
  • Yes, it should be completely repealed

    3 4.92%
  • Other, please explain in the thread

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Thread: Should the 14th amendment be amended or repealed?

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    Re: Should the 14th amendment be amended or repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    Being born on American soil has always made someone American. See A, they are born on American soil and as they are a new person, they are under the direct jurisdiction of the US especially DHHS. So yes it does make them American; you are stripping them of their rights based on a prejudice.

    United States Code: Title 8,1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth | LII / Legal Information Institute
    Jumping in here, Hallam. No offense. Bolded sentence in your quote -- it's not racial/ethnic prejudice. If you want to call it prejudice, then it's prejudice against those people who would invade our country illegally and, thru an existing loophole (the 14th), assure that they receive public assistance for their new-borns and all the other assistance that goes along with that.
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    Re: Should the 14th amendment be amended or repealed?

    The Constitution should be amended so that the child of an illegal alien or a tourist is not automatically a citizen.

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    Re: Should the 14th amendment be amended or repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny View Post
    The Constitution should be amended so that the child of an illegal alien or a tourist is not automatically a citizen.
    How so though? Any thoughts on the finer details of said amendment?

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    Re: Should the 14th amendment be amended or repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kroanon View Post
    How so though? Any thoughts on the finer details of said amendment?
    Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
    How to change it would be a very interesting process....subject to much debate. SCOTUS could even determine that 'subject to the jurisdiction of' meant that one parent had to be either born or naturalized in the US. They have already defined that a person born of at least one U.S. citizen in another country is a citizen, so it's not without precedence.
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    Re: Should the 14th amendment be amended or repealed?

    I think it's ironic that the fringe-right is discussing repealing an amendment the GOP takes credit for on their website.

    The Republican Party was for the 14th Amendment before its members started turning against it. But the GOP’s website hasn’t yet gotten the message.

    “Republicans passed the 14th Amendment,” the Republican National Committee declares on a web page extolling the party’s role in freeing slaves and supporting civil rights in the century between the Civil War and the Civil Rights Acts.
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    Perhaps the fringe has gone so far off the deep end, they are no longer on the right... They're now lined up with the far-left counterparts....

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    Re: Should the 14th amendment be amended or repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I think it's ironic that the fringe-right is discussing repealing an amendment the GOP takes credit for on their website.



    LINK

    Perhaps the fringe has gone so far off the deep end, they are no longer on the right... They're now lined up with the far-left counterparts....
    Are you reading challenged?... from your link.

    The Republican Party was for the 14th Amendment before its members started turning against it. But the GOP’s website hasn’t yet gotten the message.

    “Republicans passed the 14th Amendment,” the Republican National Committee declares on a web page extolling the party’s role in freeing slaves and supporting civil rights in the century between the Civil War and the Civil Rights Acts.
    See anything there about anchor babies?
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Should the 14th amendment be amended or repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Jumping in here, Hallam. No offense. Bolded sentence in your quote -- it's not racial/ethnic prejudice. If you want to call it prejudice, then it's prejudice against those people who would invade our country illegally and, thru an existing loophole (the 14th), assure that they receive public assistance for their new-borns and all the other assistance that goes along with that.
    There are other prejudices other than racial. If this is your motivation then you are misapplying it to these babies. They haven't invaded. Their parents invaded and should be sent home. These children, however, were just born here just as you were. This further isn't a loophole. Being born on US soil is the first reason why people are citizens of this nation. At least it is thought so by the congress. Again, if you read the link carefully, you will see that parental transfer is third on the list and is mainly cited to apply to children of US citizens born outside of the US.

    So sure deport their parents and all illegals, I have no problem with that. I don't even think we need to deport to home countries. But these babies are citizens and should be counted as US citizens.

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    Re: Should the 14th amendment be amended or repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    There are other prejudices other than racial. If this is your motivation then you are misapplying it to these babies. They haven't invaded. Their parents invaded and should be sent home. These children, however, were just born here just as you were. This further isn't a loophole. Being born on US soil is the first reason why people are citizens of this nation. At least it is thought so by the congress. Again, if you read the link carefully, you will see that parental transfer is third on the list and is mainly cited to apply to children of US citizens born outside of the US.

    So sure deport their parents and all illegals, I have no problem with that. I don't even think we need to deport to home countries. But these babies are citizens and should be counted as US citizens.
    So if we deport the mothers and or fathers what do we do with the babies?

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    Re: Should the 14th amendment be amended or repealed?

    I have already addressed this in a previous post.

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    Re: Should the 14th amendment be amended or repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    There are other prejudices other than racial. If this is your motivation then you are misapplying it to these babies. They haven't invaded. Their parents invaded and should be sent home. These children, however, were just born here just as you were. This further isn't a loophole. Being born on US soil is the first reason why people are citizens of this nation. At least it is thought so by the congress. Again, if you read the link carefully, you will see that parental transfer is third on the list and is mainly cited to apply to children of US citizens born outside of the US.

    So sure deport their parents and all illegals, I have no problem with that. I don't even think we need to deport to home countries. But these babies are citizens and should be counted as US citizens.
    When the 14th Amendment was written, there were no restrictions on immigration. Come one, come all. Things have changed. I don't see this happening, but I think it's a discussion that ought to take place to let the Administration know just how unhappy Americans are with the fact that illegal immigration isn't being effectively (or seriously) enforced.
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