View Poll Results: Should the 14th Amendment be changed or repealed

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  • No, the 14th amendment should not be touched

    34 55.74%
  • Yes, it should be changed to only give citizenship if the mother is legally in the U.S.

    4 6.56%
  • Yes, it should be changed to only give citizenship if one parent is a U.S. citizen

    15 24.59%
  • Yes, it should be completely repealed

    3 4.92%
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Thread: Should the 14th amendment be amended or repealed?

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    Re: Should the 14th amendment be amended or repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Simple enough. Children born with one parent who is a US citizen are automatically US citizens. Otherwise, they must undergo the naturalization process.
    ok, so the child born and raised in iran to a mother who is lebanese and an American father would be found as an American citizen (and a lebanese citizen and an iranian citizen)

    what about the child born to a single woman who has arrived at the hospital without her birth certificate
    let's make it worse. the mom dies at childbirth

    the child who is born and abandoned on the steps of the catholic church (in the USA). American citizen - or not

    would imagine that there are a number of permutations where making the citizenship of the child dependent upon that of a parent a circumstance causing the citizenship to remain in question
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    Re: Should the 14th amendment be amended or repealed?

    I understand changing or repealing anchor baby laws to punish the parents, but why punish the child for the actions of their parents by withholding citizenship?
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    Re: Should the 14th amendment be amended or repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I have no problem with amending the amendment, or if that's not possible (which I think it isn't) essentially removing it and passing a more updated version of it.
    Of course the amendment can be amendment. It wouldn't be the first to be amended through a later amendment...
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    Re: Should the 14th amendment be amended or repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    No I can't trust Congress to just fix that amendment.
    Since there is no limitation on what they could add or take away from The Constitution.
    Congress proposes amendments (in nearly all cases); States approve or disapprove...
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    Re: Should the 14th amendment be amended or repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Apparently, the Senate will soon have hearings regarding the Fourteenth Article of Amendment to the United States Constitution. It was passed in the wake of the United States Civil War to ensure that all Blacks whose forced servitude was ended in the 1860s. Given that the world is different today and the challenges facing the Union have changed, should the amendment be changed, repealed, or left untouched?

    Section 1 of the 14th was never created to give any and everyone born on US soil citizenship.That's why there is the "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" part. That's why the Indian citizenship act of 1924 and the nationality act of 1940 were created. That said I would still like a judge to rule with this in mind. I would also like the 14th amended to clarify this and give birth right citizenship only to children whose mothers are American citizens(any sap can claim to be the father on a birth certificate,which is why the father should not be used as a claim for birthright citizenship).

    I would also like part of the immigration and nationality act of 1965 that allows for the chain migration of relatives other than spouse and minor children to be repealed. This would end anchor babies regardless if the 14th was amended or not amended.Because the 14th amendment is not what allows anchor babies.
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    Re: Should the 14th amendment be amended or repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Wow! I thought conservatives were strict constitutionalists. It seems that many believe that the constitution, as written, is almost divinely inspired, if not written by God himself.
    Constitutionalists, no matter how strict, do not believe that the Constitution is perfect as written. It is, however, the law and it must be obeyed unless and until it can be changed.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    ok, so the child born and raised in iran to a mother who is lebanese and an American father would be found as an American citizen (and a lebanese citizen and an iranian citizen)
    The child would be an American citizen. The matter of whether the child is also a citizen of Lebanon and/or Iran is a matter for the governments of Lebanon and Iran to decide, and the rules by which they make these decisions are not my concern.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what about the child born to a single woman who has arrived at the hospital without her birth certificate
    let's make it worse. the mom dies at childbirth

    the child who is born and abandoned on the steps of the catholic church (in the USA). American citizen - or not
    If the child is adopted by American parents, it should be the same as if the child had been born to American parents. If the child becomes a ward of the State, obviously the child should be a citizen. Children with actual parents are of their parents' nationality.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    I understand changing or repealing anchor baby laws to punish the parents, but why punish the child for the actions of their parents by withholding citizenship?
    How is it "punishing" the child any more than denying citizenship to children born in other countries? Children have no more choice in where they are born than in whom they are born to, and being a citizen of another country is hardly a punishment.

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    Re: Should the 14th amendment be amended or repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I would also like the 14th amended to clarify this and give birth right citizenship only to children whose mothers are American citizens(any sap can claim to be the father on a birth certificate,which is why the father should not be used as a claim for birthright citizenship).
    If some sap claims to be the father on the child's birth certificate that makes him the child's father. The children of American citizens should not be denied citizenship.

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    Re: Should the 14th amendment be amended or repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    If some sap claims to be the father on the child's birth certificate that makes him the child's father. The children of American citizens should not be denied citizenship.
    Claiming to be the father and actually being the father are two separate things. If the individual whose name on the birth certificate is not genetically related or has not adopted the child then he is not the child's father.
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    Re: Should the 14th amendment be amended or repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Congress proposes amendments (in nearly all cases); States approve or disapprove...
    Yea I understand but I don't trust Congress, the states or the people to come to a reasonable and logical conclusion on this.

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    Re: Should the 14th amendment be amended or repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Claiming to be the father and actually being the father are two separate things. If the individual whose name on the birth certificate is not genetically related or has not adopted the child then he is not the child's father.
    Bull****. Putting his name on the birth certificate makes him legally responsible for the child and is just as valid as formal adoption.

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