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    How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    In various threads, whenever the mistakes of Bush are brought up, some people always seem to want to bury the past and act like it never happened so they can blame everything on Obama instead.

    So, in your opinion, how effective is this strategy?

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    In various threads, whenever the mistakes of Bush are brought up, some people always seem to want to bury the past and act like it never happened so they can blame everything on Obama instead.

    So, in your opinion, how effective is this strategy?
    Will the Left ever get tired of pushing this line? Yes, Bush was not the best President and he made mistakes, but attempting to justify Obama's mistakes by pointing to a Bush mistakes is idiotic in my opinion...

    Perhaps it is some twisted logic that two mistakes make a right?

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    Will the Left ever get tired of pushing this line? Yes, Bush was not the best President and he made mistakes, but attempting to justify Obama's mistakes by pointing to a Bush mistakes is idiotic in my opinion...

    Perhaps it is some twisted logic that two mistakes make a right?
    Will the right ever get tired of griping about Carter? Bad presidents are bad presidents.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    Will the Left ever get tired of pushing this line? Yes, Bush was not the best President and he made mistakes, but attempting to justify Obama's mistakes by pointing to a Bush mistakes is idiotic in my opinion...

    Perhaps it is some twisted logic that two mistakes make a right?
    Obama was placed in a very bad situation no doubt. Has he made mistakes, yes, no doubt. But are all of this country's problems Obama's fault, no. Bush did leave alot of baggage, and its hard to ignore that, even if the right would like too.
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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    In various threads, whenever the mistakes of Bush are brought up, some people always seem to want to bury the past and act like it never happened so they can blame everything on Obama instead.

    So, in your opinion, how effective is this strategy?
    Quite franky, the only people they are fooling, is each other. Obama is far from perfect, but the plate full of crapola he has been left, is a direct result of the failure of not just Bush the Jr, but of the entire "conservative" philosophy.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    In various threads, whenever the mistakes of Bush are brought up, some people always seem to want to bury the past and act like it never happened so they can blame everything on Obama instead.

    So, in your opinion, how effective is this strategy?
    About as effective as the "Just continually blame it on Bush and act like nothing that has occured in the past year and a half has any effect or any baring on anything at all except when its positive" strategy.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    About as effective as the "Just continually blame it on Bush and act like nothing that has occured in the past year and a half has any effect or any baring on anything at all except when its positive" strategy.
    i think most people on the left acknowledge obama mistakes. i also think reasonable people know 18 months is not nearly enought time to judge a presidency.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    Will the Left ever get tired of pushing this line? Yes, Bush was not the best President and he made mistakes, but attempting to justify Obama's mistakes by pointing to a Bush mistakes is idiotic in my opinion...

    Perhaps it is some twisted logic that two mistakes make a right?
    Lets have some intellectual honesty here. It is a fact that Bush left the presidency with the US engaged in two wars (one arguably was completely elective), a very serious economic crisis (arguably the worst since the great depression) and one of our largest manufacturing industries (which arguably is defense mission critical) teetering on bankruptcy. One can argue the severity of the mess Bush left, how long it should take to fix it and the right course to fix it. But it is hardly idiotic to argue that Obama inherited mess. It is idiotic to say he did not.
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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Its indisputable that Obama inherited a load of messes.

    However, this is the case in some way shape or form for most Presidents. Is it perhaps worse for Obama than many? Absolutely, I'd put it around on par with Reagan. The issue however is that is part of the job. No one said the Presidency was supposed to be easy, and ultimately by taking the position it becomes your responsability.

    Say you apply for a job at a company with the knowledge before hand that you're going to be heading up a project that has had a load of issues and problems. They're bringing you in to hopefully fix it, and while they're going to give you some lattitude and be understanding that you didn't create these issues, its still now going to be YOURS. So if you get in there and the actions you're taking to fix it aren't really working, or that fix isn't coming as quickly or efficiently as your employers like, or you're "fixing" it in a similar way that it got broke in the first place you're employer is not going to go "Well, its okay, you didn't cause this."

    No, you took the job knowing there were issues and you took the job with the promise and the notion that it was going to be on you to fix it. You have claimed responsability for the issue.

    This is what Obama, and all Presidents, face.

    We must keep it in proper context. Obama did inherent this. There are issues with this that are the fault of the Bush Administration and the congresses (both the Republican ones from 2000-2006 and the Democrat one from 2006-2008) that were presiding over it. That should definitely temper things, especially very early on and it should keep anyone from stating that Obama caused these or invented these issues.

    However, while it WAS Bush's War...they are not Obama's wars. Why? Because he's President, he took up the mantle, he said he had a plan, he has the job, and its now his responsability. Was this Bush's recession? Yes. Now it's Obama's, because he took up that responsability. If he didn't want the repsonsability he shouldn't have ran. If you don't want him to have the responsability, you shouldn't have voted for him.

    And while Bush may've helped to cause these things, one can not simply keep pointing to him as the cure for all ills that go wrong...especially now a year and a half out. If someone says "Obama's [x] isn't helping/is hurting the economy" an answer of "Well he didn't ask for it!" or "Its bad because of Bush!" is not legitimate. He DID ask for it, by choosing to run for the Presidency knowing these issues and telling us he'd fix it. It doesn't matter if its bad because of Bush, he's the President now and he's elected to try and fix it and if he's unable to HE gets the blame.

    There is not a job in this country where if you are unable to do what you're hired to do, or if you do the opposite of it, that you're free from criticism or reprimand because "Well the guy that had this job a year and a half ago had it in a crappy position".

    Republicans need to stop acting like all these problems materialized under Obama. However Democrats need to stop acting like pointing back to Bush somehow excuses Obama for any of the continued problems a year and a half into his Presidency.

    These are his now, as much as they are Bush, because he's the President and he ran knowing full well these issues were here and with the statement to the American people that he was the man to fix them.

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