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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Roughtdraft, regardless of the attempted justifications for why its okay...one can not sit there and go "Deficits are bad!" with Bush and then go "Its okay!" for Obama. For every "Its a bad economy, we must spend spend spend!" you have a "9/11 happened" on the other side. Regardless of the reasons, one can not say that George Bush was horrible about deficits and then turn around and act like Obama is a god send or is not doing equally as poorly about it. Because he's in a tough spot doesn't magically change that.

    Not to mention the benefit of his "stimulous" to the economies woes is questionable in and of itself, with the long term potential damage of it making the question of efficiency for the supposed short term gain something to consider.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

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    How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?Jets need to be cooled and personal posts reigned in, or people are going to be escorted out of the thread

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    In various threads, whenever the mistakes of Bush are brought up, some people always seem to want to bury the past and act like it never happened so they can blame everything on Obama instead.

    So, in your opinion, how effective is this strategy?
    Obama has been in office 18-months and has nothing much to show for it except contempt for America. He made big claims and has failed to deliver... because the destiny of his ideas and solutions is failure. They have a zero percent success rate.

    Few outside his core of D's, many seeing Carter-like failure in Obama, are with him or his party.

    The voting booth will reveal the level of discontent.
    He is a known quantity now, and that was always his Achilles Heel; being an empty ideological sack.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Uncola View Post
    This is the exact mentality used by despots and genocidal tyrants through the ages:

    "They don't deserve the rights and privileges we demand for ourselves, as They are not like us. We are the only ones that deserve humane treatment, as They are somehow "less than human."

    Disgusting.
    Walk through some of the **** that I have in the aftermath of the terror acts...then talk to me about disgusting.

    But I'll relent. Obama is disgusting and personally repulsive to you for recognizing who these people are, what they do, and deciding that bagram is a good place for them.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Uncola got to my answer before I did.
    Same goes for your answer as well.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Roughtdraft, regardless of the attempted justifications for why its okay...one can not sit there and go "Deficits are bad!" with Bush and then go "Its okay!" for Obama. For every "Its a bad economy, we must spend spend spend!" you have a "9/11 happened" on the other side. Regardless of the reasons, one can not say that George Bush was horrible about deficits and then turn around and act like Obama is a god send or is not doing equally as poorly about it. Because he's in a tough spot doesn't magically change that.

    Not to mention the benefit of his "stimulous" to the economies woes is questionable in and of itself, with the long term potential damage of it making the question of efficiency for the supposed short term gain something to consider.
    I'm not saying it's ok, what I'm trying to argue is that the immediate and more sever threat right now is the economy going down the drain and the debt is second to that. You can blame him for running up the debt, but the way I see it is that right now he has a choice of frying the economy by sucking all government money out of it, thus decreasing revenues more and for much longer, or running up the debt for now while trying to build a stable economy to rest on while reducing the debt later. There is no way to do both, that's the point I'm trying to make. You can not reduce the deficit by any significant amount, strengthen the economy and cut taxes and thus cut revenue at the same time.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    I get what you're saying Roughdraft, but Catz comments was about how Obama was significantly better than Bush which is where I was coming from.

    A common complaint about Bush was "OMG The deficits".

    In regards to that, there is no reasonable way to say that Obama is "significantly" better than him on that imho. Not when you look at the numbers.

    Now you can try to excuse it as being "necessary" for a variety of reasons, but similar reasons and similar excuses can be made for Bush.

    So, I don't necessarily disagree with you. And in your case if you didn't say deficits under Bush was a problem then I'd say there's really nothing to discuss, because you weren't saying its a problem under Bush and thus aren't suggesting that Obama is significantly better than him. However I was going off the notion that many people DID consider that a problem of Bush.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?
    Whenever bush is presented, I almost never try to ignore it.....
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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    In various threads, whenever the mistakes of Bush are brought up, some people always seem to want to bury the past and act like it never happened so they can blame everything on Obama instead.

    So, in your opinion, how effective is this strategy?
    In all seriousness, it depends on the issue with which Bush would of had an effect.
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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Walk through some of the **** that I have in the aftermath of the terror acts...then talk to me about disgusting.

    But I'll relent. Obama is disgusting and personally repulsive to you for recognizing who these people are, what they do, and deciding that bagram is a good place for them.
    The problem is in the precedent we set by holding people without access to an attorney, and without a trial. That's not the sort of conduct that a nation that respects essential human liberties engages in.

    The reason that we maintain our civil liberties---even in the face of horror---is that we are America. If their acts, as you express, are so foul, and this can be proven, it can be done publicly, IN COURT.

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