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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Mega...seriously...think about what you are saying. These people are typically caught in firefights. they are caught or wounded in the act. This isnt the Memphis PD investigating and accumulating evidence and serving warrants and subpoenas...these are terrorists caught planning or attempting to slaughter innocent men, women, and children. Military courts are the ONLY arena they could be tried in.

    I suspect Obama kinda had that same wide eyed innocent outlook too...right up until he became the commander in chief and realized who he was actually dealing with.
    I don't think anybody is envisioning that you do it on the battlefield in the middle of a firefight. But those guys do get carted back to a base where things are more calm.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I don't think anybody is envisioning that you do it on the battlefield in the middle of a firefight. But those guys do get carted back to a base where things are more calm.
    And? there is no miranda rights...no evidence collection...no due process...this isnt the US we are talking about, nor are they US citizens. Like I said...there is a REASON Obama has changed his tune on granting constitutional rights and has opened a version of GITMO out of sight and out of mind.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Wait a minute...I have always been told us liberals worship Obama and think everything he does is right...
    Well, he does have very sexy toes.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    I have no problem with the existence of GITMO, but from a political standpoint, I think you can agree it has become a major liability.
    I have zero problems with holding bad guys in jail until they die, as long as we've proven, PUBLICLY, that they deserve to be held there. That's a core tenet of who we are, as a nation...your government cannot stash you secretly in some hidden prison for "crimes against the state" or "terrorism" or any other code word. You get your day in court.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    I have no problem with the existence of GITMO, but from a political standpoint, I think you can agree it has become a major liability.
    GITMO became a political libaility solely because the left has MADE it a political issue. I have to point it out again...where is the outrage from the left not about GITMO but that the Obama administration decided like Bush that detainees do NOT get constitutional rights and are held indefinitely in a US run prison in Afghanistan. Its no different than GITMO. And obviously not a political concenr to anyone.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And? there is no miranda rights...no evidence collection...no due process...this isnt the US we are talking about, nor are they US citizens. Like I said...there is a REASON Obama has changed his tune on granting constitutional rights and has opened a version of GITMO out of sight and out of mind.
    I am not sure what you are getting at than. Either people are created equal or they are not.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    So we should come down to their level? I thought were supposed to be a civilized country.
    The Geneva Convetions expressly spell out guidelines you have to follow to qualify for POW status... these groups do not follow those.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I am not sure what you are getting at than. Either people are created equal or they are not.
    2 points

    1-It isnt a question of creation...its what they CHOOSE to DO that indicts them and

    2-Our constitution and laws are not a universal construct. For example there is a reason why we have the UCMJ...because even Americans serving in foreign lands are still bound by our rules and not those of the foreign governments in whch they may be residing.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    2 points

    1-It isnt a question of creation...its what they CHOOSE to DO that indicts them and
    As I previously stated. I am not against punishing bad guys. That would be a function of any civilized society. Its how we do it that is important.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    2-Our constitution and laws are not a universal construct. For example there is a reason why we have the UCMJ...because even Americans serving in foreign lands are still bound by our rules and not those of the foreign governments in whch they may be residing.
    The USMJ says we can imprison people forever without any reason? Thats pretty scary.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I think a president can muck things up more easily than they can fix it and their capacity for damage is greater than their capacity to fix things. Its the nature of the office I think.

    For example, lets look at Gitmo. Setting up the place was relatively easy, shutting the place down is proving to be very difficult. Its the same with the wars, wire taps etc. One of our problems with the way the government is currently set up is each time a new territory is opened up, it can be hard to close it back down again. This is one of the reasons why your leadership argument doesn't work for me.
    First - Obama freely and voluntarily took on the "mess" he constantly complains about. No one put a gun to his head.
    Second - Obama while being Presidet does have limitations - except when both houses of Congress are led by Obama's own political party. That means Obama had a priceless opportunity to do what he claimed he was going to do. Many Presidents do not have that opportunity especially while pointing out how bad the prior President's policies were.
    Third - Democrats are trying to use the "blame Bush" strategy -- ressurect it -- and ride it through the mid-term elections. I agree with other posters here that Bush mucked things up - no doubt, especially in spending. That does NOT exhonerate Obama's first 18 months or excuse his LACK of all things "hope & change" from occurring.

    Obama owns the issues he inherited, 100%. Blame Bush is no longer valid. The litany of failures is rising and the opportunity for additional failure continues to increase. He was and is over his head... it's as simple as that.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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