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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Please, explain in specific terms how that makes any difference at all, especially as held by relevant US and international law.
    The way I understood it... since time has passed - and by the actual act of time passing, such a thing invalidates anything that came before it.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The way I understood it... since time has passed - and by the actual act of time passing, such a thing invalidates anything that came before it.
    Yeah. The people of East Prussia are still wondering when it became against the rules to keep land you won in a war you didnt start.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    Bush was not a conersvative. I do not know why you compare the two. He was a neoconservative. Very different.
    I don't disagreee. However, it seems tyo now have gone out of fashion to call oneself a "neocon," instead they seem to have morphed into the latest brand of wacko radicals, aka: Teabaggers.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Uncola View Post
    I don't disagreee. However, it seems tyo now have gone out of fashion to call oneself a "neocon," instead they seem to have morphed into the latest brand of wacko radicals, aka: Teabaggers.
    If you pay attention, rather than parrot the popular rhetoric, you'll note that the "Neocons" and "teabaggers" are ideologically somwhat distant.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i think most people on the left acknowledge Obama mistakes. i also think reasonable people know 18 months is not nearly enough time to judge a presidency.
    The reasonable time is a lot closer to 18 years and more...
    It took hundreds of years for our nation to be where it is today....rather than griping and complaining, people should be learning and studying.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Uncola View Post
    I don't disagreee. However, it seems tyo now have gone out of fashion to call oneself a "neocon," instead they seem to have morphed into the latest brand of wacko radicals, aka: Teabaggers.
    I disagree. I think the Tea Party movement is centered around lower taxes, reduced spending, and smaller government. Neocons support big government, loss of civil liberties, and an out of control foreign policy.
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    It is convincing to those who wish it to be convincing, and it is not convincing to those who do not desire it to be convincing. A great deal of the time, it is mere political hackery no matter what side of the fence you observe.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Will the right ever get tired of griping about Carter? Bad presidents are bad presidents.
    Sure we will, because we can gripe about Obama for decades. He makes Carter look like a genius.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The difference here is Bush's deficits where with a good economy. Obama, with a bad economy, is going to run up a deficit, that is the nature of things. If previous presidents(not just Bush) had kept the deficit in line, then the deficit spending now would not be a big deal.
    But you're proving my point Redress, you're making excuses. The same can be done for Bush. While not immedietely facing one, he faced a recession himself during his 2nd/3rd year. He then again faced a recession in his 7th and 8th year. In between he faced two seperate wars that typically cause deficit issues. Its not hard to excuse why there's deficits, but you gotta keep it consistant. People on one side can't make it out as if its the greatest sin in the world and then turn around and go "no no no, its perfectly okay".

    Now, before someone foolishly points me to the Cheney or Rummy quote (can't remember who said it), you can ask people around the forum rather I'm a giant Bush lover or if I was fond of Bush's spending.

    Now, if Obama keeps running up deficits with no effort to reign them in as the economy improves, then we will have a very legitimate complaint, and I will be leading the people making it. However, in the current climate, where some of our conservatives are doing the "OMG, the deficit, OMG, we need to cut taxes" tango, I think there is nothing wrong with pointing out that foolishness.
    There absolutely is when some of them, and I'm not saying you, are the same types of people who 4 years ago were going "The Deficit! The Deficit! Bush is stealing from our kids!"

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    If you pay attention, rather than parrot the popular rhetoric, you'll note that the "Neocons" and "teabaggers" are ideologically somwhat distant.
    I am "paying attention," hence, the same bunch of loons changing their label doesn't fool me. Same greed driven, antisocial, control freak, you are free to think exactly like we do mentality.
    Last edited by The Uncola; 08-03-10 at 09:06 AM.

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