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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Whenever bush is presented, I almost never try to ignore it.....
    When I see it, I feel it's time to shave.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The problem is in the precedent we set by holding people without access to an attorney, and without a trial. That's not the sort of conduct that a nation that respects the essential humanity of mankind engages in.

    The reason that we maintain our civil liberties---even in the face of horror---is that we are America. If their acts, as you express, are so foul, and this can be proven, it can be done publicly, IN COURT.
    You figure out how to charge them, mirandize them, and try them in US courts and Im all on your side.

    I DID point point out I thought Obama was doing a good job fighting terrorism, right?

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You figure out how to charge them, mirandize them, and try them in US courts and Im all on your side.

    I DID point point out I thought Obama was doing a good job fighting terrorism, right?
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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    In various threads, whenever the mistakes of Bush are brought up, some people always seem to want to bury the past and act like it never happened so they can blame everything on Obama instead.
    Mentioning GWB's 'mistakes' creates a hed herring, rather than a defense of The Obama's actions.

    As such, there's absolutely no need to respond to such statements, as said statements are intended to do nothing other than misdirect the conversation.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The problem is in the precedent we set by holding people without access to an attorney, and without a trial. That's not the sort of conduct that a nation that respects essential human liberties engages in.
    And yet, the government has the perfectly legitimate power to do just that.
    Not EVERYONE held by the US government has a right to an attorney, a right to habeus corpus, or the right to trial.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    And yet, the government has the perfectly legitimate power to do just that.
    Not EVERYONE held by the US government has a right to an attorney, a right to habeus corpus, or the right to trial.
    I'm sorry, we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I'm sorry, we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
    And you'll be wrong.

    Disagree?

    Did the hundreds of thousands of Germans, Italians and Japanese captured during WW2 have a right to an attorney, habeus corpus or trial?

    Of course not. Thanks.

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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I get what you're saying Roughdraft, but Catz comments was about how Obama was significantly better than Bush which is where I was coming from.

    A common complaint about Bush was "OMG The deficits".

    In regards to that, there is no reasonable way to say that Obama is "significantly" better than him on that imho. Not when you look at the numbers.

    Now you can try to excuse it as being "necessary" for a variety of reasons, but similar reasons and similar excuses can be made for Bush.

    So, I don't necessarily disagree with you. And in your case if you didn't say deficits under Bush was a problem then I'd say there's really nothing to discuss, because you weren't saying its a problem under Bush and thus aren't suggesting that Obama is significantly better than him. However I was going off the notion that many people DID consider that a problem of Bush.
    The difference here is Bush's deficits where with a good economy. Obama, with a bad economy, is going to run up a deficit, that is the nature of things. If previous presidents(not just Bush) had kept the deficit in line, then the deficit spending now would not be a big deal.

    Now, if Obama keeps running up deficits with no effort to reign them in as the economy improves, then we will have a very legitimate complaint, and I will be leading the people making it. However, in the current climate, where some of our conservatives are doing the "OMG, the deficit, OMG, we need to cut taxes" tango, I think there is nothing wrong with pointing out that foolishness.
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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    And you'll be wrong.

    Disagree?

    Did the hundreds of thousands of Germans, Italians and Japanese captured during WW2 have a right to an attorney, habeus corpus or trial?

    Of course not. Thanks.
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    Re: How convincing is the ignore Bush strategy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    And you'll be wrong.

    Disagree?

    Did the hundreds of thousands of Germans, Italians and Japanese captured during WW2 have a right to an attorney, habeus corpus or trial?

    Of course not. Thanks.
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