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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    And with all the government environmental regulation, you might not even be able to purchase the land. And if you do purchase the land, look out for eminent domain!

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    Individualism over collectivism
    By themselves, either are not good, I think from individualism, as a base, one can improve the system with collectivism more easily . To be successful, one must respect the other, this we do not have...
    In the far distant future, it will be libertarian, we are nowhere close to this(utopia).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you oppose the military, the police and fire department? Good to know.

    See how stupid absolute statements and rhetoric are?
    No, they're not stupid. In a quest for utopia (and we know how much certain people love to find utopia), shouldn't we reaching for a society with the most limited military? Being a "very liberal" individual, wouldn't you agree that the military hasn't exactly done wonders for us lately?

    You're probably not that liberal, anyway (yes, I'm making an assumption).

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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    I believe we should have a mixture of both. I believe in being an individual within a collectivist society. There needs to be some agreements and things that apply to all people (like laws, taxation, rights, etc). A purely individualistic society would be worse in my opinion, than the most restricted and staunch collectivist society.
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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    If forced to choose one way or the other in establishing the primary foundation of a government, which one would you pick?
    You can always tell who just discovered Ayn Rand.

    Give them 20-30 years to have kids and get involved living in a community and they realize things aren't as cut and dried as she supposes.

    Great writing, interesting ideas, but like any philosophy, you take what's useful and leave the rest.

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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    Because outside influences alter societies. I was talking about how men lived before governments had developed.
    Thats impossible to do.

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    And my point was that rules weren't made and enforced. These societies weren't big on rules and their leaders really didn't enforce anything on others. They had no government. When people lived in relatively small bands, living off the land, people generally get along pretty well with each other-- although populations remained small. Pointing to a tribal society in the modern middle east doesn't really tell you anything about tribal societies before government because they adhere to a system of religious law from another, stratified and sedentary society.
    Rules being made and enforced is the essence of government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    That statement is laughable! You mean human beings can't survive if left to their own devices?
    We could survive, but life expectancy would go way down. Especially since we would not have large insitutions to maintain our current level of technology and infrastructure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    That statement is laughable! You mean human beings can't survive if left to their own devices?
    Let's just say if modern man was alone on an island with no TV, tools, or other necessities, he'd either starve or go mad.

    Take things as they are, not as they could or should be.

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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Thats impossible to do.
    no, its not. archaeologists & anthropologists (and the many many subfields thereof) do it all the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Rules being made and enforced is the essence of government.
    notice I said "rules weren't made and enforced," and those early societies had no government.

    Disagree if you like, I would just suggest you check some of the studies that have been made about these early human cultures if you are interesting in understanding my point of view.

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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    no, its not. archaeologists & anthropologists (and the many many subfields thereof) do it all the time.



    notice I said "rules weren't made and enforced," and those early societies had no government.

    Disagree if you like, I would just suggest you check some of the studies that have been made about these early human cultures if you are interesting in understanding my point of view.
    You are contradicting yourself. If there were rules and an institution to enforce the rules there was government.

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