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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    If it were anarchistic, there would probably be no person in charge.
    people would probably coalesce into kinship groups for mutual support. The head of the family, matriarch or patriarch, would be the de facto leader... until the motorcycle gangs started to form...

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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    people would probably coalesce into kinship groups for mutual support. The head of the family, matriarch or patriarch, would be the de facto leader... until the motorcycle gangs started to form.
    I know, Ikari and I were discussing hypotheticals that could never be. In reality, we would end up like mad max or something similar with a LOT of people dying or enslaved.

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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I think most of our history, we have had tribal societies which would be a form of government, so it does not meet the criteria for extreme individualism which would require anarchy (no rules of any sort)
    Prior to civilization we had... civilization?

    We've been here for 200 millenia. For the vast majority of that, there was no civilization.

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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Prior to civilization we had... civilization?

    We've been here for 200 millenia. For the vast majority of that, there was no civilization.
    Even monkeys exist in tribes. I think there was no prior.

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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And all paid for by the collective.
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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Good post except for the anarchy part. ;-) Neither of these extremes would work, I agree. The upper 10% (guessing on the %) of our society right now operates on a kind of individualism. They are targets for envy, ridicule. "Tax 'em! Who cares about 'em? They should pay more."

    I'm afraid if we operated toooo closely to individualism, a whole lot of people would need food tasters.
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    Hey look, making up crap about the position of people we disagree with. How unusual...
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    What does that mean? I don't get it.
    The part I bolded is pure spin and not reality, except maybe some envy. The reason the top 10 % pay more in taxes as a percentage is because that larger percentage effects their standard of living less. It 's not a lack of caring, or envy, or saying they should pay more, it's that they are less harmed by paying more.
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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I think most of our history, we have had tribal societies which would be a form of government, so it does not meet the criteria for extreme individualism which would require anarchy (no rules of any sort)
    You don't see any real signs of government until the rise of cities and then agriculture. Prior to that people general spent too much time on the move to form stable interactions with groups any larger than an extended family.

    Actual government requires specialization.
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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Even monkeys exist in tribes. I think there was no prior.
    LMFAO We'll just have to agree to disagree. I don't see that as "collectivism". I can run off into the woods and live by myself, so could anyone. The govt is not necessary for our individual survival, and in many ways actually hampers it.

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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    You don't see any real signs of government until the rise of cities and then agriculture. Prior to that people general spent too much time on the move to form stable interactions with groups any larger than an extended family.

    Actual government requires specialization.
    Any authority over a society that can make rules that the society has to live by would be the government. If great grandad was the tribal eldar, he would be the source of government.

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    LMFAO We'll just have to agree to disagree. I don't see that as "collectivism". I can run off into the woods and live by myself, so could anyone. The govt is not necessary for our individual survival, and in many ways actually hampers it.
    You can run off into the woods and live today if you wanted to.

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