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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Good post except for the anarchy part. ;-) Neither of these extremes would work, I agree. The upper 10% (guessing on the %) of our society right now operates on a kind of individualism. They are targets for envy, ridicule. "Tax 'em! Who cares about 'em? They should pay more."

    I'm afraid if we operated toooo closely to individualism, a whole lot of people would need food tasters.
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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post

    I'm afraid if we operated toooo closely to individualism, a whole lot of people would need food tasters.
    but too close to collectivism, and we wouldn't even have the food.

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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    No need to even think about it. Individualism.


    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I can only say that I hope you made the right choice.
    Living freely is always the right choice.

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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

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    but too close to collectivism, and we wouldn't even have the food.
    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Good post except for the anarchy part. ;-) Neither of these extremes would work, I agree. The upper 10% (guessing on the %) of our society right now operates on a kind of individualism. They are targets for envy, ridicule. "Tax 'em! Who cares about 'em? They should pay more."

    I'm afraid if we operated toooo closely to individualism, a whole lot of people would need food tasters.
    Both statements are correct I think.

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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Good post except for the anarchy part. ;-) Neither of these extremes would work, I agree. The upper 10% (guessing on the %) of our society right now operates on a kind of individualism. They are targets for envy, ridicule. "Tax 'em! Who cares about 'em? They should pay more."

    I'm afraid if we operated toooo closely to individualism, a whole lot of people would need food tasters.
    Well reality and hypothetical are two different beasts. Of course in reality, anarchy doesn't work. That's why I said it's a pipe dream. It's a utopia, those things are not attainable in real life but rather an ideal. Anarchy is the ideal form of government. It doesn't mean we can have it because it's fundamentally opposed to human nature, but it's the ideal. And individualism is a two way street. While there are certainly people who think the rich should bear a higher tax burden, there's also rules and regulations against the rest of us as well. The upper 10% pay a lot, but the upper like .1% don't pay ****. The mega rich have all the rules set up for them, as they are part of the aristocracy. I think a lot of people operate on an individual basis from the lower-middle class through probably mid-upper class. We're bracketed on either side by collectivist or statist ends. Regardless, for a system in which we do not need to consider the reality of implementing our ideal, than I would push for anarchy as it is the ideal form of government.
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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    No need to even think about it. Individualism.

    Living freely is always the right choice.
    Living freely would be great, but I think in such a condition, the hard accomplishment would be the living part. Most people would die.

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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Individualism is to freedom as collectivism is to slavery.

    Gee, I wonder which one I'd rather have.


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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I don't think it accomplishes that though. For example, I would make different choices depending on whatever the circumstances are, all with an eye to increasing freedom and having enough security to secure that freedom. So in an extreme I would go with socialism because having an oppressive monster of a government would be better than being dead or starving. While in a more civilized situation, I would probably go towards more individualism.

    Perhaps this is a question for less pragmatic people.
    I think the question is better suited for people who have a better ability to grasp abstract ideals for sure. Mostly because we're dealing with terms of utopia mixed with application. There's nothing innate to that socialist system which keeps you from not starving. It was hell in many communist/socialist states in reality. Sure the ideal is great....I suppose, if you're into that thing. But the ideal for anarchy is the same way. It's not that you sit there and starve, it's that you get to make your own food, or you can exchange your work for whatever you want. Nothing is given, but nothing is forced.

    But this is part of the complications of fictional hypothetical questions. Because in the end, I doubt many people really push for 100% one way of the other since the practical implications of the systems makes them unable to be sustained in and of themselves.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Living freely would be great, but I think in such a condition, the hard accomplishment would be the living part. Most people would die.
    Why?.......


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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Hmmm- I find it interesting that so far, all votes are for individualism and none for collectivism. Does this indicate that collectivists are afraid of commitment?
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