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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    If forced to choose one way or the other in establishing the primary foundation of a government, which one would you pick?
    One that provides a good balance of both so people can enjoy individual freedoms but maintain collective security.

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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Come on guys- it was a very simple question.
    If forced to choose one way or the other
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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Come on guys- it was a very simple question.
    Are we talking absolutes? We have to choose either anarcho capitalism or communism? If I had to choose it would be communism because for all of its problems and death it would be responsible for, it wouldn't immediately deteriorate into feudalism or warlordism.

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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Are we talking absolutes? We have to choose either anarcho capitalism or communism? If I had to choose it would be communism because for all of its problems and death it would be responsible for, it wouldn't immediately deteriorate into feudalism or warlordism.
    Yeah, much better to have all that feudalism and warlordism all drawn out over the long term rather than immediately.

    Now putting on my serious face-
    The question was collectivism vs individualism as the basis for establishing the foundation for a government. If you have adequate laws to protect the rights of the individual and his property, individualism is far superior imo, for it allows greater individual freedom.
    Last edited by lizzie; 08-02-10 at 12:55 PM.
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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Yeah, much better to have all that feudalism and warlordism all drawn out over the long term rather than immediately.
    I think it would do less harm and would be easier to recover from and have a government worth having. Russia has some issues but its less of a problem compared to somolia or other places with no government. They are also having a better time making a transition, even if it is problematic.

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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Are we talking absolutes? We have to choose either anarcho capitalism or communism? If I had to choose it would be communism because for all of its problems and death it would be responsible for, it wouldn't immediately deteriorate into feudalism or warlordism.
    There's a valid answer. Of course most people want a mix, but that is completely missing the point of the question. For all those who are still whining about wanting a mix we get that but the point is if extremes are the only option which extreme do you choose?

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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    In general, it is best to follow the side of individualism. While realistically there is some need for understanding collective arguments and seeing how collectivism can be implemented on a limited scale, individualism should be touted as more important. For it is the individual whom possesses rights, not the collective.
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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I think it would do less harm and would be easier to recover from and have a government worth having. Russia has some issues but its less of a problem compared to somolia or other places with no government. They are also having a better time making a transition, even if it is problematic.
    That's because of the cultural makeup of the population which is Russia. In a country where the individuals are capable of self-governing without declining into destructiveness (due to education, culture, values etc), personal freedom facilitates success and personal/societal growth. It all depends on the population one has to work with.
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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    In general, it is best to follow the side of individualism. While realistically there is some need for understanding collective arguments and seeing how collectivism can be implemented on a limited scale, individualism should be touted as more important. For it is the individual whom possesses rights, not the collective.
    There's a valid answer. Of course most people want a mix, but that is completely missing the point of the question. For all those who are still whining about wanting a mix we get that but the point is if extremes are the only option which extreme do you choose?
    In general, I agree that individualism should be the primary thing as I think people are sovereign. But you do need some sort of mix or else you have a horrible situation at either end. Maybe I don't understand the point of the thread?

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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Civil1z@tion View Post
    There's a valid answer. Of course most people want a mix, but that is completely missing the point of the question. For all those who are still whining about wanting a mix we get that but the point is if extremes are the only option which extreme do you choose?
    Thanks. You said it much better than I.
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