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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    And its never been a good thing, now its worse.
    back in the days when the rich farmers, industrialists, manufacturers, train barons, shipping magnates etc were trying to control the government it was normally a case of people controlling something so it wouldn't hurt them. Ie keep the government out of their business and perhaps sometimes do something to help them (like slapping a tariff on foreign competition). NOw we have the government rich who use the government to give them wealth they didn't create--be it Union bosses, trial lawyers (yeah I don't have much use for many tort lawyers) etc.

    someone who uses influence to keep the government out of his business may well hurt some citizens but those who use the government to actively take money from others for them are far more pernicious



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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Nuh-uh!

    (I figure if we are going to get stuck on this point, we may as well have fun with it)
    Why are you stuck on it? It's easy to go back and see what I wrote.

    Are you trying to insist that scattered bands of hunter-gatherers lived under a government?

    Never mind. If you don't recognize a distinction at this point I can see already we'll just disagree over what a government actually is...
    Last edited by other; 08-03-10 at 06:33 AM.

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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    Why are you stuck on it? It's easy to go back and see what I wrote.

    Are you trying to insist that scattered bands of hunter-gatherers lived under a government?

    Never mind. If you don't recognize a distinction at this point I can see already we'll just disagree over what a government actually is...
    Because they lived in a society that made and enforced rules. To me this is very simple.

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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Because they lived in a society that made and enforced rules. To me this is very simple.
    You already said that you think that. I got it.
    Last edited by other; 08-03-10 at 07:31 AM.

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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Well lets see I help my fellow man, but I don't like sharing my bag of beef jerky. What is this supposed to mean again?

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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Individualism is huge. But however like collectivism it can go to far. I refuse to vote on this because the validity of ether is perfectly acceptable in varying degrees. I currently see in the US with a strong libertarian movement as a move to far away from the value of being in that group. It all has to do with time and place.. what the circumstances are and law making in a pragmatic manner using whichever solution works best.

    Simply because I see value in collectivism does not mean I enjoy impinging on individuals to contribute to the well being of all in that group. It's the primary reason we are so communal. Clearly just looking at the size of the cities we benefit from working together. Collectivists have an egalitarian preference while individualist are inclined towards anarchist sentiment.

    I think in a good and proper culture the balance between collectivism and individualism is worked out in some manner. Clearly societies that go for ether extreme have a high failure rate.

    So in my opinion your poll answer column is lacking other. I think forcing people to choose one over the other is ethically wrong. What happens in the political realm if suddenly everyone believes in one side and not the other? Well it leads to political apathy and poor democratic inclusion of other people who see things differently.
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    fyi Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Individualism, of course. Anything else is a no-brainer.


    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You need to be more descriptive and define your terms, before I feel I can answer. Also, neither is an absolute; I doubt that there are many of any governments that do one or the other.
    The concept is quite clear, even though neither is an absolute.

    America was founded upon INDIVIDUAL rights -- INDIVIDUALISM.

    The Soviet Union was founded upon COLLECTIVISM. People were basically the property of the state.

    Now, which would you choose?

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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Individualism, of course. Anything else is a no-brainer.




    The concept is quite clear, even though neither is an absolute.

    America was founded upon INDIVIDUAL rights -- INDIVIDUALISM.

    The Soviet Union was founded upon COLLECTIVISM. People were basically the property of the state.

    Now, which would you choose?
    Neither. I don't play the "absolute" games. Threads like that are designed as "trap" threads. Like this one. Any absolute is nothing but a theoretical and not based in reality.
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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Neither. I don't play the "absolute" games. Threads like that are designed as "trap" threads. Like this one. Any absolute is nothing but a theoretical and not based in reality.
    But it's not a "trap" thread. It was a simple question based on opinion. I could easily point to many poll threads that are not based in reality.
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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    for a power to kill millions that takes collective action.
    For a society to accomplish anything takes collective action. Collectivism is essential to all human endeavors, desirable or otherwise.

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