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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    Because outside influences alter societies. I was talking about how men lived before governments had developed.
    The strong took from the weak and the weak died.

    Take things as they are, not as they could or should be.

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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    People who think they can get along without help are dreamers

    Take things as they are, not as they could or should be.

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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    You are contradicting yourself. If there were rules and an institution to enforce the rules there was government.
    for the third time: I said there were not.

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    The strong took from the weak and the weak died.

    Take things as they are, not as they could or should be.

    ricksfolly
    uh huh.
    Last edited by other; 08-02-10 at 06:17 PM.

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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    for the third time: I said there were not.
    Nuh-uh!

    (I figure if we are going to get stuck on this point, we may as well have fun with it)
    Last edited by tacomancer; 08-02-10 at 06:41 PM.

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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Living freely would be great, but I think in such a condition, the hard accomplishment would be the living part. Most people would die.
    You don't think they would learn how to live?
    "God is the name by which I designate all things which cross my path violently and recklessly, all things which alter my plans and intentions, and change the course of my life, for better or for worse."
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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    You don't think they would learn how to live?
    I think it wouldn't matter. We would devolve into a warlord situation where life is cheap. We would end up in a situation like somolia or afghanistan pre-war.

    What do kind of society do you think would emerge without government?
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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    People who think they can get along without help are dreamers
    Or perhaps they have figured sh*t out, and learned how to do for themselves. Do you really see humans as so helpless?
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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Let's just say if modern man was alone on an island with no TV, tools, or other necessities, he'd either starve or go mad.

    Take things as they are, not as they could or should be.

    ricksfolly
    Why not work at making things as they could be rather than living with the status quo?
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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Neither one would work without elements of the other.
    true but too much individualism doesn't result in the high body count that too much collectivism does. Given that fact, it is better to err on the side of the individual rather than the collective.



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    Re: Individualism or Collectivism?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    true but too much individualism doesn't result in the high body count that too much collectivism does. Given that fact, it is better to err on the side of the individual rather than the collective.
    It does, its just not as obvious. For example, look at the life expectancy rates in societies without a functioning government (we are discussing extremes here).

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