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Are African-Americans a mongrel people?

Are African-Americans a mongrel people?

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One must also ask -- just how 'colored' do you have to be to be considerd 'colored'?
 
Kroanon said:
I smell some scientific racism brewing in this thread.
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Isnt it a good question? How black to you have to be to be considered black?
1/2 1/4? 1/8? 1/16?
I mean, lets look at Nichole Richie (Lionel Richoe's daughter) and Djimon Hounsou. Both are black, and yet...
 
Goobieman said:
Isnt it a good question? How black to you have to be to be considered black?
1/2 1/4? 1/8? 1/16?
I mean, lets look at Nichole Richie (Lionel Richoe's daughter) and Djimon Hounsou. Both are black, and yet...
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It depends on what you mean by "have to be".
To get a minority scholarship, probably any amount of provable, traceable black blood will do.
I know a blond, blue-eyed guy who got financial assistance with his college tuition because he's one-eighth Cherokee, and was able to produce documentation to prove his bloodline.

Another blonde, blue-eyed coworker- the quintessential cheerleader type- I always thought her last name was Haycum or Haycolm. That's how she pronounced it.
Then one day I saw it written: Hakim.
I joked with her, "What are you, a middle-easterner?"
She told me her great-grandfather was from Syria, although he converted to Christianity immediately upon arriving in the US, opened a shoe shop, and eventually became a Christian minister and opened his own church. :shrug:

I mean, since race is such a superficial thing, basically once you look white, people are going to assume you're white and treat you as if you're white; even if they find out later you have minority blood in you, their basic perception of you is not going to change.
I believe that anyone who looks white enough to universally pass for white is the beneficiary of white privilege.
 
Oh lord.... there goes white privilege again....

I wonder when I will benefit from this **** that 1069 keeps blathering on about incessantly.
 
Goobieman said:
Isnt it a good question? How black to you have to be to be considered black?
1/2 1/4? 1/8? 1/16?
I mean, lets look at Nichole Richie (Lionel Richoe's daughter) and Djimon Hounsou. Both are black, and yet...
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.... Nicole Richie was adopted...

Nicole Richie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nicole Camille Richie (born Nicole Camille Escovedo; September 21, 1981) is an American socialite and television personality. The adopted daughter of soul singer Lionel Richie, she is perhaps best known for her role in the Fox reality television series The Simple Life, alongside fellow socialite and childhood best friend Paris Hilton.
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1069 said:
She is adopted; she is the biological child of a friend of Richie's, and is of mixed race.
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I thought her father was Mexican and her mother was white?
 
Yes, blacks are, in the sense that they are from many cultures and races.

No, in sense that being from multiple cultures and races makes a person inferior.

So, it depends on which of these is meant. So, it depends on the context. Of who said it and in what conversation and what else they said alongside it. Does this answer your question, Goobieman?
 
Dezaad said:
Yes, blacks are, in the sense that they are from many cultures and races.

No, in sense that being from multiple cultures and races makes a person inferior.

So, it depends on which of these is meant. So, it depends on the context. Of who said it and in what conversation and what else they said alongside it. Does this answer your question, Goobieman?
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See post #5. It was made clear very early on that he term was used in regard to the former, not the latter.
 
Nearly all of us in the USA have mixed blood..me, I am English, Irish, Scot, and Dutch...
Not real happy about the Irish part.

Iceland, IIRC, tries to keep its race "unmixed", as do the French. We should thank the French for that. It is good for them to keep inbreeding, that way they won't mess up the lives of the Non French...

BTW, that was sarcasm, for those who don't have a sarcasm detector...
 
UtahBill said:
Nearly all of us in the USA have mixed blood..me, I am English, Irish, Scot, and Dutch...
Not real happy about the Irish part.

Iceland, IIRC, tries to keep its race "unmixed", as do the French. We should thank the French for that. It is good for them to keep inbreeding, that way they won't mess up the lives of the Non French...

BTW, that was sarcasm, for those who don't have a sarcasm detector...
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Hey what's wrong with the Irish..I am so offended and upset that I now need counseling..I have issues.....Hiccup~~
 
Goobieman said:
See post #5. It was made clear very early on that he term was used in regard to the former, not the latter.
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Which is why I answered yes to the poll. Just as we all are. He was using the phrase in a light hearted manner. Stupid on his part given all the people waiting to pounce, but otherwise inconsequential.
 
Goobieman said:
I believe I addrsssed this.
Their leading organization refers to them (and others) as colored. If that's good enough for them, then its good enough for me.

The qiuestion is - why isn't it good enough for you?
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I consider myself a bitch but do not take kindly to others calling me that. You picking up what I am putting down yet?
 
Kali said:
I consider myself a bitch but do not take kindly to others calling me that. You picking up what I am putting down yet?
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Yes - you are overly sensitive and don't like it when people do not respect those sensitivites. Get over yourself.

Meanwhile, I'll continue to use the term 'colored' because that's what the NAACP uses.
 
Goobieman said:
Yes - you are overly sensitive and don't like it when people do not respect those sensitivities. Get over yourself.

Meanwhile, I'll continue to use the term 'colored' because that's what the NAACP uses.
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Hmmmmm…
I doubt anyone is completely devoid of color, even albino people.

Thus, I resent any suggestion that any one group has the sole usage of a word I can easily use to describe everyone on the planet.
At the same time.
 
The Mark said:
Hmmmmm…
I doubt anyone is completely devoid of color, even albino people.
Thus, I resent any suggestion that any one group has the sole usage of a word I can easily use to describe everyone on the planet.
At the same time.
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Yes, well, tell the NAACP that they represent white people and see what that gets you.
 
Goobieman said:
Yes, well, tell the NAACP that they represent white people and see what that gets you.
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Well, how do they define "black people", or "colored people", or whoever they claim to represent?

Depending on the method of definition, they may or may not represent some "white people".

I'm 99% sure there's a white person out there whose great-great-something-mother was a slave raped by her owner.

Should the NAACP not rep them cause' they have white skin? What's the purpose of the NAACP, anyway?
 
The Mark said:
Well, how do they define "black people", or "colored people", or whoever they claim to represent?
Depending on the method of definition, they may or may not represent some "white people".
I'm 99% sure there's a white person out there whose great-great-something-mother was a slave raped by her owner.
Should the NAACP not rep them cause' they have white skin? What's the purpose of the NAACP, anyway?
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Following after my message are some quoted paragraphs from the wikipedia about the NAACP. You don’t have to read the entire thing, but from what is hereby presented, that NAACP is of the black, by the black, and for the black deserves no skepticism, and that the term color people used by NAACP excludes white, or European descendent, deserves no argument.

How they decide who are black people, colored people? Nobody can do this for them except themselves. However, in the daily social practice, we can say that those who can be judged as carrying African heritage and must take advantage of the affirmative action at his own decision must be in the category of black people or color people. If this person is barred from enjoying affirmative action, NAACP will not hesitate to help. If a white person complaining unable to enjoy the benefit of affirmative action, checking if his “great-great-something-mother was a slave raped by her owner” will be the last thing that the NAACP will care to do. In the agenda of NAACP, NAACP never lists the whites or the European descendants as victims of Jim Crow Law and white supremacy .

Declaring NAACP don’t know who black people and color people are, you are insulting their intelligence. Don’t do that. You don’t want to indicate black people are ignorant people, do you?

Oh, there are more people who can define who black people or color people are. If you happen do not know these knowledgeable people, I can tell you how to find them with 100% confidence. These knowledgeable people declare the following:

“AIDS is invented by the white to kill the blacks”
“Some white say ‘do not hold me responsible to what my ancestors did’, but you (the whites) are beneficiaries.”
“What is the matter with you blacks? If you want to have freedom, you must kill the white crackers.”
“If you don’t vote Barack Obama, you are a racist!”
“You must know this country will be ruled by the blacks”

Is the above familiar to you? If not, you have not been living in America.


The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, usually abbreviated as NAACP (pronounced /ˈɛn ˌdʌbəlˈeɪ ˈsiː ˈpiː/), is one of the oldest and most influential civil rights organizations in the United States. [3] Its mission is "to ensure the political, educational, social, and economic equality of rights of all persons and to eliminate racial hatred and racial discrimination".[4] Its name, retained in accordance with tradition, is one of the last surviving uses of the term colored people.
The NAACP bestows the annual Image Awards for achievement in the arts and entertainment, and the annual Spingarn Medals for outstanding positive achievement of any kind, on deserving African Americans. It has its headquarters in Baltimore, Maryland.[5]

On May 30, 1909, the Niagara Movement conference took place at New York City's Henry Street Settlement House, from which an organization of more than 40 individuals emerged, calling itself the National Negro Committee. Du Bois played a key role in organizing the event and presided over the proceedings. Also in attendance was African-American journalist and anti-lynching crusader Ida B. Wells-Barnett. At its second conference on May 30, 1910, members chose as the organization's name the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and elected its first officers,


In its early years, the NAACP concentrated on using the courts to overturn the Jim Crow statutes that legalized racial segregation. In 1913, the NAACP organized opposition to President Woodrow Wilson's introduction of racial segregation into federal government policy, offices, and hiring.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naacp
 
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The Mark said:
Well, how do they define "black people", or "colored people", or whoever they claim to represent?

Depending on the method of definition, they may or may not represent some "white people".

I'm 99% sure there's a white person out there whose great-great-something-mother was a slave raped by her owner.

Should the NAACP not rep them cause' they have white skin? What's the purpose of the NAACP, anyway?
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You'll need to ask them. I'm just taking their use of the term 'colored' as a mainstream acceptance of the use of term 'colored' to describe blacks and other 'people of color'.
 
The Mark said:
It appears that you don't like the NAACP...
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Why do you feel a scaring tactic will support your judgement? Why do you think that your correctness is linked with other's preference? If you need others to show the American way in debate, please show that you follow the same way, too. This is the minimal self-respect.
 
crebigsol said:
Why do you feel a scaring tactic will support your judgement? Why do you think that your correctness is linked with other's preference? If you need others to show the American way in debate, please show that you follow the same way, too. This is the minimal self-respect.
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What the hell are you talking about?

You have successfully confused me.

Caine said:
Who does?
They are teh worthlessz
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True
 
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