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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    what do you mean by this?

    If you are trying to say that they form "naturally" without outside interference (ie. from some third party not directly involved in markets but with power to use force over them--such as governments) then you are incorrect. Corporations are created through policy. That is simple and undisputable fact. Legal protection/exemption is part of the definition of a corporation.
    Yes free market monopoly capitalism leads to monopolies. That is what it does.. then after the monopoly develops it makes itself a part of the system which is fascist.
    Last edited by Gabriel; 07-27-10 at 12:48 AM.

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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Says who? Healthcare that covers 100% of the people in .. say Canada costs ~5% less gdp then it does in the US.
    Yea yea, UHC the heralded block buster of all government programs.
    The Canadian government has the authority to approve/disapprove/delay treatments.

    The U.S. government, as well as the states, have been regulating the medical system for years on end, only to have the prices go up.
    That should let you in on something right there.

    Not to mention the control and limiting of doctors produced every year by the states, feds and the AMA.
    It's so not a valid comparison on so many levels.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Private enterprise works hard on cost because it needs to offset the profit taking which is sometimes more efficient but in many cases like education and healthcare for example they only end up costing more.
    It's not more efficient.
    Extending lifespans comes from using cutting edge medications and treatments, that may only increase the average by less than a year but they build on each other.
    It's a slow process.

    Education can be cheaper in the private market.
    It costs less than $1000 a year to home school an elementary school child but the government pays over $10k a year on average.
    That doesn't include the plethora of other private education options that could be developed.
    Think outside the box.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Government is limited in a balanced budget. However you can work this model in times when it is bad by saving and being frugal in times when they are good. Simple math makes Keynesian economics perfectly acceptable. The trick is cutting spending in good times.
    No it's not.
    As our most recent history has shown, government will borrow at will to placate the masses.
    We have not followed the Keynesian style system because it requires politicians to be angels.

    It's best to not have them intervene in the first place.
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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Yes monopoly capitalism leads to monopolies. That is what it does..
    monopoly capitalism leads to monopolies. right. got it.

    so what leads to monopoly capitalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    then after the monopoly develops it makes itself a part of the system which is fascist.
    ...If the government is fascist, you mean. Right?

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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yea yea, UHC the heralded block buster of all government programs.
    The Canadian government has the authority to approve/disapprove/delay treatments.

    The U.S. government, as well as the states, have been regulating the medical system for years on end, only to have the prices go up.
    That should let you in on something right there.

    Not to mention the control and limiting of doctors produced every year by the states, feds and the AMA.
    It's so not a valid comparison on so many levels.



    It's not more efficient.
    Extending lifespans comes from using cutting edge medications and treatments, that may only increase the average by less than a year but they build on each other.
    It's a slow process.

    Education can be cheaper in the private market.
    It costs less than $1000 a year to home school an elementary school child but the government pays over $10k a year on average.
    That doesn't include the plethora of other private education options that could be developed.
    Think outside the box.



    No it's not.
    As our most recent history has shown, government will borrow at will to placate the masses.
    We have not followed the Keynesian style system because it requires politicians to be angels.

    It's best to not have them intervene in the first place.
    Really so you are an expert on the Canadian healthcare system are you? The Canadian system is far and away better in terms of cost and overall health of the population compared to the US. Overall it costs less for Canadian healthcare and it covers all the people compared to the US privatised system. Your exaggerating the effect of the government on what is covered.. I guarantee you a privatised system with privatised healthcare is much more expensive and inefficient when compared to a public system with equal coverage.

    Privatised education would not be more cheap this is a straight up lie and it would hit the lowest income people the most hard.

    I will make the concession with regards to keynesian econmoics that it needs to reign itself in. But otherwise it is a perfectly good example to follow in terms of countercyclical economics.

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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    monopoly capitalism leads to monopolies. right. got it.

    so what leads to monopoly capitalism?



    ...If the government is fascist, you mean. Right?
    Free markets lead to monopoly capitalism.

    A capitalist democracy matures to fascism naturally.

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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Really so you are an expert on the Canadian healthcare system are you? The Canadian system is far and away better in terms of cost and overall health of the population compared to the US. Overall it costs less for Canadian healthcare and it covers all the people compared to the US privatised system. Your exaggerating the effect of the government on what is covered.. I guarantee you a privatised system with privatised healthcare is much more expensive and inefficient when compared to a public system with equal coverage.
    Not an expert but I guarantee that I have studied this subject extensively.
    Cheaper ≠ better

    I'm not exaggerating anything.
    Mandatory minimum coverage, limits on doctor creation, limits on scope of practice, crony partnership between the big pharma and the FDA, Medicare, Medicaid and so much more.

    Public Medical systems are cheaper because they can limit and deny care.

    Life extension treatments and medications are expensive and the development is slow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Privatised education would not be more cheap this is a straight up lie and it would hit the lowest income people the most hard.
    You have absolutely no proof for this.

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    I will make the concession with regards to keynesian econmoics that it needs to reign itself in. But otherwise it is a perfectly good example to follow in terms of countercyclical economics.
    It won't be followed because no one wants a moderate economy.
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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Not an expert but I guarantee that I have studied this subject extensively.
    Cheaper ≠ better

    I'm not exaggerating anything.
    Mandatory minimum coverage, limits on doctor creation, limits on scope of practice, crony partnership between the big pharma and the FDA, Medicare, Medicaid and so much more.

    Public Medical systems are cheaper because they can limit and deny care.

    Life extension treatments and medications are expensive and the development is slow.



    You have absolutely no proof for this.



    It won't be followed because no one wants a moderate economy.
    I guarantee your insurance companies deny more then the Canadian government does by far and away. Under a public system no one goes bankrupt because they can't pay their doctor. You are exaggerating and I know you are. No mention of death panels yet…. to your credit.

    Regarding education clearly it is a fact that the poor benefit from a public system that pays mainly from the wealthy.

    It won't be followed because the financers of the economy want a more exciting/profitable job gambling with the publics funds.

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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    I guarantee your insurance companies deny more then the Canadian government does by far and away. Under a public system no one goes bankrupt because they can't pay their doctor. You are exaggerating and I know you are. No mention of death panels yet…. to your credit.
    Well I know that Medicare denies more claims than all but one insurance company.

    As far as bankruptcy goes, most people file bankruptcy because they have missed work while sick, not because of the medical bills.

    I'm not exaggerating in the least.
    This was my pet issue during the whole health care debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Regarding education clearly it is a fact that the poor benefit from a public system that pays mainly from the wealthy.
    That isn't necessarily true at all.
    It assumes that "the poor" would not receive any type of education outside of the schooling environment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    It won't be followed because the financers of the economy want a more exciting/profitable job gambling with the publics funds.
    Funny you mention that because the financiers were behind the creation of the modern American school system.
    I wonder why...
    There was a less pleasant, underlying reason for that.
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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Free markets lead to monopoly capitalism.
    Care to elaborate? what makes you think this is the case? Any single historical example would be nice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    A capitalist democracy matures to fascism naturally.
    This is irrelevant to this thread...

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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Well I know that Medicare denies more claims than all but one insurance company.

    As far as bankruptcy goes, most people file bankruptcy because they have missed work while sick, not because of the medical bills.

    I'm not exaggerating in the least.
    This was my pet issue during the whole health care debate.



    That isn't necessarily true at all.
    It assumes that "the poor" would not receive any type of education outside of the schooling environment.



    Funny you mention that because the financiers were behind the creation of the modern American school system.
    I wonder why...
    There was a less pleasant, underlying reason for that.
    Your saying in the US if you have a lot of medical expenses and don't have coverage it doesn't put people into bankruptcy? I promise you.. you are exaggerating I have a public option and I know it works well.

    Your assumption is they would receive education for free? This is dishonest to me and subjects the poor to educators with ulterior objectives.. such as religion.

    Well that may explain the inefficiency of it.. Plenty of centrally planned education systems turning out extremely talented people for less cost then the partially privatised system.

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