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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    A simple question to start a discourse.

    I do not believe in natural monopolies since they wouldn't exist in a free market. They only exist when the government regulates in favor of established businesses, which bars entry into the marketplace from newer competitors.
    I don't quite get the point of your question. Does it mean that natural monopolies wouldn't exist in a free market? If it does mean so, I may have to disagree. Free market, if genuinely free, means genuine competition in business. In any kind of competition, in the natural world or in human society, governed by intelligence or not, eliminating the weak so that the strong one potentially becomes stronger is spontaneous. The end result must be funneled to monopoly. This is natural. In the wild nature, there is nothing to stop it until a top predator appears. In human society, we can stop it, but it must take a government's action; and indeed, only governmental force can take care of this kind of problem. But, then, the unfortunate thing is how to have such a government that can be trusted by all interest groups. Since at the international level, there is not a central government to regulate, the "market" at this level is the most "genuinely" free place, and the competition thee is getting as fierce as it can get. Watch how the monopolies appear and grow in the free "market". Indeed, at one time, the Communist Bloc almost monopolized half of the Europe and half of the Asia. Had the leading core of the Soviet Bloc not made some mistake, the world would still feel the choking pressure today.
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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Monopolies happen because the corporation is more efficient then small business. That’s just the way it is.

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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Monopolies happen because the corporation is more efficient then small business. That’s just the way it is.
    Yes, it is so natural.

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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Quote Originally Posted by crebigsol View Post
    Yes, it is so natural.
    Yes it is natural progression of the free market.

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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    It is not true that the big old monopolies formed because of government involvement. That is a complete misreading of history.

    It is true that most businesses will run more efficiently if they are consolidated, but it is not always true. Where it is true, monopolies will form, unless the government steps in to stop them or break them up.

    Monopolies form most easily and stay in place longer where the barriers to entry are high. Government can indeed form high barriers to entry, and can therefore induce the creation of monopolies. But, to make the wild leap that Gov't interference is the only cause, or even the primary cause, of monopolies is simply that: A wild leap.
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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    It is not true that the big old monopolies formed because of government involvement. That is a complete misreading of history.

    It is true that most businesses will run more efficiently if they are consolidated, but it is not always true. Where it is true, monopolies will form, unless the government steps in to stop them or break them up.

    Monopolies form most easily and stay in place longer where the barriers to entry are high. Government can indeed form high barriers to entry, and can therefore induce the creation of monopolies. But, to make the wild leap that Gov't interference is the only cause, or even the primary cause, of monopolies is simply that: A wild leap.
    I really don't feel like doing this argument again but it can be shown that government has protected and supported those monopolistic institutions in a lot of scenarios.
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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    It is not true that the big old monopolies formed because of government involvement. That is a complete misreading of history.

    It is true that most businesses will run more efficiently if they are consolidated, but it is not always true. Where it is true, monopolies will form, unless the government steps in to stop them or break them up.

    Monopolies form most easily and stay in place longer where the barriers to entry are high. Government can indeed form high barriers to entry, and can therefore induce the creation of monopolies. But, to make the wild leap that Gov't interference is the only cause, or even the primary cause, of monopolies is simply that: A wild leap.
    This is a lie. Your completely wrong. Corporations develop from small to large and seek to monopoly the market whenever they can .. that is what they do. The only way it is prevented is when government intervenes and breaks the monopoly.

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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I really don't feel like doing this argument again but it can be shown that government has protected and supported those monopolistic institutions in a lot of scenarios.
    The reason government has done that is because corporations are super successful.
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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    The reason government has done that is becausecorporations are super successful.
    Hmm, well do you think it's alright for the government to deploy soldiers to force employees to work?
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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Hmm, well do you think it's alright for the government to deploy soldiers to force employees to work?
    What does this have to do with corporations running your country? How are corporations accountable to the people outside of being profitable? The state is not a business.. it is a democratically elected group of paid servants. This is something Americans don't understand in a country ran by free market mentality.

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