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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    It was a quite common belief held at the time and had little to do with whether or not one was a socialist.
    Several missing points here. I did not say only the socialists invented or held this belief, but I did say it was a typical view found among socialists and the socialists exploited this view to the fullest extend for their agenda of power usurpation. Can you deny it?


    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    "50 or 60 large corporations, each controlled by two...
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    ... congress with a view to encourage great corporations to present a united front in the struggle for markets abroad."
    Yes, yes, yes...Thank you for all these resourceful references. But please answer me several simple questions regarding these references.
    1. All these references point the finger at monopolization of capital. Why is there not a single reference about monopolization of monopolization of labor force? In my initial (between you and me) message I emphasized the coexistence of both types of monopolization in the capitalist society.
    2. So far, have you found any capitalist country that is dominated by a single capitalist? In other words, if this has ever happened, in the case of America, this single capitalist, by one person or one family, will dominate Boeing, Mcdonal, AT&T, Jack in the Box, Chevron, GM, Ford, GE, CitiBank, AiG, ... including, but not limited to, all three branches of the government. In comparison, in the socialist countries, which, ever since their debut, have never stopped for one second all hysterical screaming against monopolization found in capitalist country, must monopolized anything the leading core can reach in their country: Kim Jeong Ill in North Korea, Castro in Cuba, Nicolae Ceauşescu in Romania, Mao Tsetung in China (That he actually missed the opportunity is not because he didn't want it but because his heir could not survive the situation). A typical example is Hugo Chavez. He expressed extreme hatred toward America for the monopolization nature he detected about this country. Back home, however, he extended his monopolization action step by step: currently seeking 25 year term presidency.
    3. In the later part of your message, you said "The role of the state is to maintain the conditions of its rule, not to attack monopolies. It will do so generally only insomuch as it prevents the collapse of the system." Have you seen any socialist county "do so generally only insomuch as it prevents the collapse of the system" by enacting any law against power monopolization? On the contrary, for example, the Chinese constitution stipulates that "Chinese Communist Party leads everything in China". Leading everything must mean monopolizing everything in political operation and no other explanation is allowed.
    4. So, now, as a summary of the above questions, please answer me, while monopolization of capital is intolerable, why "leading everything", power and capital all together, in the absolute control of a "chosen" few must be so acceptable by the entire population?


    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    So to say that the "government is working hard" is somewhat of a lie.
    So, please tell me that no anti-trust law or anti-trust law suit ever exists in the capitalist country, or that all these law and law suit is not a result of working by someone but just exist like weed in a lawn, appearing by themselves. Please also tell me how AT&T was once broken up, how Microsoft must pay a huge sum in Europe because of violation of anti-trust law? Do you think such huge sum can also automatically flow into your wallet without a successful law suit? Did you ever complaint that starting a law suit is too energy demanding?


    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Finally, to say that it's actually necessary for government to enact such laws validates my point.
    Does it invalidate mine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Competition transforms into monopoly. This is a historically established fact.
    Nobody denies it here, except that socialist exploit this fact to build a bigger monopolization with far more cruelty, while at least some capitalists willfully try to relax it to a certain extend in capitalist countries.

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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla
    Market monopolization.

    Most recitations, that I've seen, have links to government favoritism.
    I wouldn't necessarily call it a natural effect.
    Of course. But that is where this discussion is over between the two of us. You believe that monopolization is caused by government intervention, whereas I believe that government intervention goes hand in hand with monopolization.

    crebigsol I'm not gonna respond to you anymore because you're weird and no fun.
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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Of course. But that is where this discussion is over between the two of us. You believe that monopolization is caused by government intervention, whereas I believe that government intervention goes hand in hand with monopolization.
    I know, we'll probably never agree on it but at least we can be civil.
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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    crebigsol I'm not gonna respond to you anymore because you're weird and no fun.
    Sucks! I lost another talking partner. But I really don't know how to present truth in a fun way. Well, let all the sayings of other quality occupy the fun. Galireo and the church never looked at each other with any fun; but at lease you and me will still shake hand if we happen to meet each other.

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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Of course monopolies can exsist in the free market. Think about this

    2 companies own 90% of the soda market. They decide to combine and tell all stores that if they sell anything else, then they won't be able to buy their product. 99% of the stores will stop selling other products, and it will be extremly difficult to enter the market. Then they can set up the prices and we have a monopoly.

    A real life example is Microsoft. Miscrosoft can deliever inferior products to a high price without losing completly to their competitors. Because a lot of programs and games only work on windows, then people can't switch. Also, to increase their monopoly, computers are now preinstalled with Windows.

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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Of course monopolies can exsist in the free market. Think about this

    2 companies own 90% of the soda market. They decide to combine and tell all stores that if they sell anything else, then they won't be able to buy their product. 99% of the stores will stop selling other products, and it will be extremly difficult to enter the market. Then they can set up the prices and we have a monopoly.

    A real life example is Microsoft. Miscrosoft can deliever inferior products to a high price without losing completly to their competitors. Because a lot of programs and games only work on windows, then people can't switch. Also, to increase their monopoly, computers are now preinstalled with Windows.
    Microsoft is a monopoly because they have permission from the government and no one else is allowed to market their product.
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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Blackwater was a bunch of washed up wanna be green berets before bush came along and integrated it into the government. Is this where your going?


    Blackwater was started by several former Navy SEALs. their Designated Marksman school is better than the United States Marine Corps; and they get pretty much their pick of the retiring veterans of two wars.

    'wanna be green berets'


    the free market is the most rapid and ablest destructor of monopolies yet known to man. certainly government regulation (which tends to encourage them instead) is not a serious contendor for this position. whether they are unions of today, the guilds of yesteryear, the railroad companies, the spice companies, or any of a thousand examples throghout history, the only traditional way to maintain a monopoly has been via government support.

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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Microsoft is a monopoly because they have permission from the government and no one else is allowed to market their product.
    Premission to do what?

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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Premission to do what?
    To retain a monopoly.

    They have copyright and only they are allowed to market the Windows series of operating systems.

    Imagine if others were allowed to have access to the MS source code to create their own version of Windows.
    We could have multiple competing versions, probably superior to what we have now.
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    Re: Do you believe in natural monopolies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    To retain a monopoly.

    They have copyright and only they are allowed to market the Windows series of operating systems.

    Imagine if others were allowed to have access to the MS source code to create their own version of Windows.
    We could have multiple competing versions, probably superior to what we have now.
    No, if we didn't have copyright then there would be no Windows, because no one wants to invest if someone else can just take what they have done and steal it. Copyright is one of the elements of a market economy, like property rights. And I also would expect libertarians to be in favour of copyright.

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