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    Re: Should Government Employees Be Unionized?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Source for salaries? Are including all of the benefits or just monetary compensation?
    Salaries for teachers are available here. I'm not sure what portion, if any, of their cash compensation goes toward benefits, but my guess is some does. As for the police salary figure, I didn't use any specific source other than my recollection from reading articles in my local newspaper. However, you can do the math if you want:

    The annual salary for the Mississippi Highway Patrol is $3000 to $4000 higher than many surrounding departments, drawing in a large number of recruits.... Highway patrolmen are required to attend an 18 to 20 week academy, during which the average salary is approximately $14,000. New Highway Patrol recruits are paid a reduced salary due to the fact that they are provided with food and housing during their stint in the academy. Once they complete their training and become full-fledged patrolman, the salary is increased to approximately $34,000 to $38,000, depending on education and prior experience. Officers with advanced degrees such as Bachelor's or Master's degrees are paid slightly more, as are officers who have had prior law enforcement experience.

    What Is the Job Salary for Mississippi Highway Patrol Officers? | eHow.com
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    Yes, they do, but do they need multi-million dollar compensation packages that will indebt the people for generations because the union demands it?
    I have yet to see a teacher who got rich by herding brats. Considering the amount of education they're required to obtain (generally at least a bachelor's degree plus a fifth year), they're worth whatever they make. If they attended an expensive school and are stuck with tens of thousands of dollars worth of student loans, they're probably having second thoughts about their career choice. But I really have to wonder about the priorities of a society that deems it perfectly appropriate to pay someone who trades oil futures $100 million for one year's work while questioning the salary of a person who will mold the minds of their children. If the Donalds of America don't like it, then they can move to a right-to-work state where they can pay their public workers peanuts or elect politicians who will negotiate firmly with bargaining units. I don't envision them volunteering at their local fire station or school in order to save tax money on salaries. As for the military as a form of public service among elites in this country? Forgitaboutit. Those people are increasingly rare in this country. I wonder how many graduates of Choate or Philips Exeter are enlisting in the Marines this year. Keeping Faith: A Father-Son Story ... - Google Books
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    Re: Should Government Employees Be Unionized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The union can organize the work place without the consent of the owner of the work place.
    One doesn't have to be a genius to guess the likely answer he would get if an employer were asked for permission to unionize its work force.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They are forced by law to negotiate with them.
    Well, the National Labor Relations Act says they're supposed to. That doesn't mean they can't hire lawyers and "union busting" consultants to help them drag their feet while they work to have the union decertified.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If the demands are greater than the realistic payments they should receive then the workers are not a good asset.
    When you say "realistic payments they should receive," what you really mean is "the crumbs management would toss them if they didn't have an advocate to negotiate on their behalf."

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It can't just close the plant, the union can in twine them in long legal disputes.
    If a company wants to close a plant, the plant will close. Just ask the former UAW workers at New United Motor Manufacturing in Fremont, California.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They shouldn't be forced to even deal with a union if they don't want to.
    Well, that's your opinion. I believe that if workers want an advocate to represent them when negotiating salaries and benefits with their employer, they should have that right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Unions are fine as long as they are reasonable, since the law allows them to be unreasonable, I don't support their existence.
    About the only leverage a worker has with management is the ability to withhold his labor. If he can't do that in concert with other workers, then, short of threatening to quit, he really has no leverage at all. The employer is holding most of the cards in that instance. Contrary to appearances, I'm no particular fan of unions. I think one reason we have a growing transplant auto industry here in the South is due to unions in non-right to work states. But I also don't think that going back to the labor unrest we experienced before the National Labor Relations Act was passed would be good for the country, either. Once companies felt they had a green light to run roughshod over workers I'm sure they would do it. Just the threat of an NLRB election tends to keep them honest.
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    mad Re: Should Government Employees Be Unionized?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    A simple question to spark a discussion.

    I, myself, do not believe that public servants should be able to unionize. They are to serve the people on the whims of the people. By having a union, this places the servant into the position of the master and able to dictate to the people their demands.
    Not just no, but HELL NO!!!!Nearly all public employees are overpaid and don't need to be mooching off the taxpayers who earn a lot less. They should NEVER belong to a mooching organization like a union.

    Salaries for ALL public employees, including people in political office, should NEVER be increased without approval in a referendum by the people.
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    Re: Should Government Employees Be Unionized?

    Government employees are unionized if they have been successful at obtaining at least 30% of their bargaining unit, the total number of employees elibible to be represented by a union, to sign a petition expressing interest in being represented, at which case an election is then held.

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    Re: Should Government Employees Be Unionized?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    A simple question to spark a discussion.

    I, myself, do not believe that public servants should be able to unionize. They are to serve the people on the whims of the people. By having a union, this places the servant into the position of the master and able to dictate to the people their demands.
    sure they should, if that's what they want.

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    Re: Should Government Employees Be Unionized?

    Public sector unions are bad. Because governments can't go bancrupt and there is no competition. If a private sector union demands too high pay, then a different company will beat them out of the market. In public sector, they just take money from the taxpayers. And if they don't give them money, then the party will get less votes.

    The easiest solution would be to allow public companies to hire anyone they like. That will slowly kill the public sector unions, because they can hire people that are willing to work for less. Also, they should privatize many public services. They should stil fund them, just allow companies to compete against each other. Then the company that doesn't hire expensive unionized workers will do a lot better.

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