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    Re: Should Government Employees Be Unionized?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    How is their employer just like all of the other employers?
    They're paying for labor?
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    Re: Should Government Employees Be Unionized?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    No, the problem is with the unions to begin with. They make unreasonable demands....
    So does a 3-year-old. ;-)
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    Re: Should Government Employees Be Unionized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    They're paying for labor?
    Except the people actually paying for it are the masters.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    So does a 3-year-old. ;-)
    OMG you made me spit out my tea when I read that!!

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    Re: Should Government Employees Be Unionized?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Preamble doesn't have the force of law. Did you want try again? If you cite Article I Section VIII Clause I, I will refute it by saying that it's a statement of intent and not a grant of power. Patents and Trademarks will still come before defense.
    Yeah, meanwhile, can you name any rational person that puts filing a patent claim on the same level of national significance as maintaining the army necessary to protect the patent clerks from rude foreigners?

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    Re: Should Government Employees Be Unionized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yeah, meanwhile, can you name any rational person that puts filing a patent claim on the same level of national significance as maintaining the army necessary to protect the patent clerks from rude foreigners?
    Given the fact that we're not supposed to have a standing army, do you want me to answer this honestly?

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    Re: Should Government Employees Be Unionized?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Except the people actually paying for it are the masters.
    Slavery officially ended in America in 1865. Today, if someone pays a worker for his labor, that makes the someone an employer. I found it interesting that, with all the libertarians on this board, so many people voted in favor of a governmental prohibition of freedom of association and the right to bargain collectively simply because the workers are in the public sector.
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    Re: Should Government Employees Be Unionized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Slavery officially ended in America in 1865. Today, if someone pays a worker for his labor, that makes the someone an employer. I found it interesting that, with all the libertarians on this board, so many people voted in favor of a governmental prohibition of freedom of association and the right to bargain collectively simply because the workers are in the public sector.
    Current union laws don't allow freedom of association for the employers.

    For me to work for the railroad, I have to join a union.
    There is no opt out option.
    Same for most others.

    Edit: Not to mention that it allows them to have double representation in government.
    Completely unfair.
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    Re: Should Government Employees Be Unionized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Slavery officially ended in America in 1865. Today, if someone pays a worker for his labor, that makes the someone an employer. I found it interesting that, with all the libertarians on this board, so many people voted in favor of a governmental prohibition of freedom of association and the right to bargain collectively simply because the workers are in the public sector.
    I'm not a libertarian. The government in the US is set up on the principle that the people have all the power while the government has none inherently. The people are the masters while the government is the servant. It has nothing to do with slavery.

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    Re: Should Government Employees Be Unionized?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I'm not a libertarian. The government in the US is set up on the principle that the people have all the power while the government has none inherently. The people are the masters while the government is the servant. It has nothing to do with slavery.
    Well, if you believe the Declaration of Independence, governments are instituted among men to secure the natural rights of man. Presumably, one of those rights is the right to one's own labor. Citizens shouldn't have to surrender basic liberties simply because they choose to sell their labor to the public.
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    Re: Should Government Employees Be Unionized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Well, if you believe the Declaration of Independence, governments are instituted among men to secure the natural rights of man. Presumably, one of those rights is the right to one's own labor. Citizens shouldn't have to surrender basic liberties simply because they choose to sell their labor to the public.
    Working for the people should be a reward unto itself and a part of one's civic duty. That is how it was viewed back in colonial times.

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