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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    We used to be able to go to school here in Cali for practically nothing, but no more.

    Still, it isn't a big deal to those who establish teaching careers. For the half or so who put thousands into a credential, then don't make it, it is a big deal.
    Life is about risk, sometimes your plans don't work.
    Sucks for them.
    I've been going to school on and off for a couple of years with federal grants.
    The most it has cost me is a few hundred dollars in gas and car maintenance.

    I don't suck up to teachers(I'll admit I'm biased).
    They are people, not sacred cows and saints.
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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Life is about risk, sometimes your plans don't work.
    Sucks for them.
    I've been going to school on and off for a couple of years with federal grants.
    The most it has cost me is a few hundred dollars in gas and car maintenance.

    I don't suck up to teachers(I'll admit I'm biased).
    They are people, not sacred cows and saints.
    You're lucky to have those federal grants. A lot of people go on loans, and then owe thousands when they get out.

    and no, teachers aren't sacred cows or saints, just people who have taken on a difficult job.
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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You're lucky to have those federal grants. A lot of people go on loans, and then owe thousands when they get out.
    Pell grant is available nationwide.
    It's not luck, just the fact that some people believe I'm poor(I'm really not), based on my income.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and no, teachers aren't sacred cows or saints, just people who have taken on a difficult job.
    Every job has some sort of difficulty to it.
    If teaching was so difficult vs. pay, there would be a huge shortage of teachers.
    I'm not buying it, I think it is mostly self pity.
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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Pell grant is available nationwide.
    It's not luck, just the fact that some people believe I'm poor(I'm really not), based on my income.



    Every job has some sort of difficulty to it.
    If teaching was so difficult vs. pay, there would be a huge shortage of teachers.
    I'm not buying it, I think it is mostly self pity.
    That's because you've never tried it yourself.

    A lot of people think that teaching is an easy gig. None of them have tried it themselves.

    About half of new teachers quit and find something less difficult to do.
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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That's because you've never tried it yourself.

    A lot of people think that teaching is an easy gig. None of them have tried it themselves.
    I didn't say it was easy, jobs aren't really supposed to be easy.
    That's why they pay you to do them.

    A lot of people couldn't hack it at my work(manufacturing), I'm not crying about it.
    I mean it's physically intensive, with a typical air temperature of 85F.
    Hell work in a paint booth where I am, usually 100F, covered in paint.

    I, nor the rest of my coworkers, get 35k a year(typical average wage is approximately 25k).
    That's life, not everyone is supposed to get the big bucks.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    About half of new teachers quit and find something less difficult to do.
    That's because people idolize teaching/teachers, when it shouldn't be.
    Just sayin.
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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I didn't say it was easy, jobs aren't really supposed to be easy.
    That's why they pay you to do them.

    A lot of people couldn't hack it at my work(manufacturing), I'm not crying about it.
    I mean it's physically intensive, with a typical air temperature of 85F.
    Hell work in a paint booth where I am, usually 100F, covered in paint.

    I, nor the rest of my coworkers, get 35k a year(typical average wage is approximately 25k).
    That's life, not everyone is supposed to get the big bucks.




    That's because people idolize teaching/teachers, when it shouldn't be.
    Just sayin.
    That's because it is a lot harder than they thought it would be.

    Sure, other jobs have their difficulties, too. What gets me are the people who seem to think that teachers have a soft life, and proceed to go on about only working nine months, good pay for a part time job, and so on. That simply isn't true.

    If it were, there wouldn't be so many teaching credentials not being used.
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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That's because it is a lot harder than they thought it would be.

    Sure, other jobs have their difficulties, too. What gets me are the people who seem to think that teachers have a soft life, and proceed to go on about only working nine months, good pay for a part time job, and so on. That simply isn't true.

    If it were, there wouldn't be so many teaching credentials not being used.
    Well like I said, I am definitely biased on this subject.
    I won't hide it.
    I completely disagree with the educational establishment and their procedures on "educating" children.

    The hours for teachers are pretty soft, even if you have to take work home.
    Sorry that's being part of the real world.

    Teachers get lots of free time, even attending classes to keep up the certification is like a little vacation for the rest of us regular workers.
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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, it is a good plan.

    When you compare it to Social Security, it is quite revealing:

    Teachers in the state of California pay 8% of their salary into the system. That 8% is matched by employers, for 16%.

    Very similar to Social Security, but there is a difference:

    The STRS fund, unlike the SS fund is not in the general fund. The money that doesn't get paid out in pensions, then, gets invested in secure assets.

    Had the federal government placed SS funds into secure assets, rather than using the money to fund the day to day expenses of government, and had it not used the money to pay for people who didn't pay into the system, then everyone covered by SS could now get a pension similar to what teachers get in California.

    How sweet would that be, and how angry should the retirees who paid into SS all of those years be now?

    The state wanted to put the pensions into the general fund at one point, and that horrible, terrible, socialistic entity, the teacher's union, put a stop to it. How terrible. Why, the state could have balanced its budget without that terrible pinko commie union!

    Of course, then teaches' pensions would be much like Social Security.
    Before you brag too much, read this:

    The CalSTRS board may cut its investment earnings forecast, a small move that could add hundreds of millions of dollars to the current $4 billion annual shortfall needed for full funding. The nation’s second largest public pension fund, with assets valued at $131 billion at the end of January, began to consider the issue last month and may act in September or even sooner.
    The fund is down $43 billion and is 23% under-funded. So much for so-called secure investments. California teachers? pension fund faces $43 billion shortfall

    And this:

    In order to meet its pension obligations, the fund will have ask the state legislature to increase contributions from California’s 1,043 school districts by as much as 14 percent of what they already pay in employee retirement benefits.

    And that nine months is a myth, BTW. You don't get ahead by only working the school year, which is already more than nine months, at least here.
    Please do not tell me that you aren't paid for that extra work in the summer 'cause I won't believe you.

    Be very grateful for the excellent pension benefits that your next-door neighbors are funding. If they knew what I've posted here, they'd be marchin' in the streets. Most people have nooooo idea. "Teachers are underpaid. Boo-freakin'-Hoo."
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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You'd have to pay me a hell of a lot more than $42,000 a year to just baby-sit 20 kids . . . let alone try to teach them things at the same time.

    Being a teacher is a very important yet thankless and stressful job - they should paid far more than what they do.
    You could make that argument about any job. I worked as a telemarketer. I had to listen to people tell me to eat **** and die. There are a lot of jobs I would not want to do. That is why I don't do them. I don't think teachers have it that bad and I don't know what job you have, but I would babysit 20 kids for $42,000 in a heartbeat!
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Well like I said, I am definitely biased on this subject.
    I won't hide it.
    I completely disagree with the educational establishment and their procedures on "educating" children.

    The hours for teachers are pretty soft, even if you have to take work home.
    Sorry that's being part of the real world.

    Teachers get lots of free time, even attending classes to keep up the certification is like a little vacation for the rest of us regular workers.
    I don't understand why teachers having to do work at home is being looked upon as such a tragedy. With technology these days there are a ton of jobs where a 9 to 5 no longer exists.
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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