View Poll Results: Should teacher salaries in your state increase, decrease of stay the same?

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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Ditto Head -- return the favor. Where's a link that shows me you even KNOW what teachers in California are paid. Other than "averages," I don't think you have a watchdog group who posts this very telling information. (Call Rush. He'll agree with me. Ha!)
    LOL! You're talking to a retired teacher with 38 years experience. I know all about retirement and salaries in California. Still, obviously I don't know about salaries in other states. Those Chicago salaries blew me away!

    Here is a link to STRS.
    If it doesn't go directly, just click "calculator." You can plug in figures including the age of the retiree, the final salary, years of teaching, and come up with a pension from that. I did it many times just before retiring. It's easy.

    Here is a retirement benefit for a hypothetical teacher making $66,000, which is pretty typical here:


    Here's the information you entered: You plan to retire in 2011
    Your age at retirement will be 62 years, 6 months.
    Your Years of Credited Service will be 35.541
    Your Age Factor based on your birth date, including career bonus, will be 0.02400
    Your average monthly salary will be $ 5500

    Your estimated benefit includes a Longevity Bonus of $ 400

    The unmodified monthly benefit shown below is calculated by multiplying your average salary by your years of credited service and the age factor at the time of your retirement.
    Credited Service X Age Factor X Average Monthly Salary = Unmodified Monthly Benefit

    YOUR ESTIMATED UNMODIFIED MONTHLY BENEFIT:
    $5091.41
    Unmodified means that is before taxes and doesn't include a survivor benefit. The retiree can opt to accept less, but pass on the pension to a spouse.
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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It's a well-kept secret, Ditto. Teachers make a very VERY good living for their nine months' work. Be outraged. You're paying for it.
    Not in California.

    So, I'm not paying for it. Taxpayers in Illinois are.

    And that nine months is a myth, BTW. You don't get ahead by only working the school year, which is already more than nine months, at least here.

    But, I'm not complaining. Even working 185 days plus a few weeks of teaching and/or attending summer school is not that long.
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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    LOL! You're talking to a retired teacher with 38 years experience. I know all about retirement and salaries in California. Still, obviously I don't know about salaries in other states. Those Chicago salaries blew me away!

    Here is a link to STRS.
    If it doesn't go directly, just click "calculator." You can plug in figures including the age of the retiree, the final salary, years of teaching, and come up with a pension from that. I did it many times just before retiring. It's easy.

    Here is a retirement benefit for a hypothetical teacher making $66,000, which is pretty typical here:




    Unmodified means that is before taxes and doesn't include a survivor benefit. The retiree can opt to accept less, but pass on the pension to a spouse.
    Sweet, though, nonetheless. What other job would pay a retirement benefit of $60K on an exit salary of $66K? Not bad, really. ;-) I don't know how California can be #1 "on the brink" when Illinois has such a handsome lead with teacher salaries!!
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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The salaries listed then are fairly low then in my opinion
    Yeah - considering that there are countless jobs that equal that same pay with *no* bachelors required - it's a tight sqeeze . . . also consider that for countless years many teachers will be paying back school loans.

    I think they're paid relatively decent in Arkansas - but low for their education and importance.
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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Sweet, though, nonetheless. What other job would pay a retirement benefit of $60K on an exit salary of $66K? Not bad, really. ;-) I don't know how California can be #1 "on the brink" when Illinois has such a handsome lead with teacher salaries!!
    Yes, it is a good plan.

    When you compare it to Social Security, it is quite revealing:

    Teachers in the state of California pay 8% of their salary into the system. That 8% is matched by employers, for 16%.

    Very similar to Social Security, but there is a difference:

    The STRS fund, unlike the SS fund is not in the general fund. The money that doesn't get paid out in pensions, then, gets invested in secure assets.

    Had the federal government placed SS funds into secure assets, rather than using the money to fund the day to day expenses of government, and had it not used the money to pay for people who didn't pay into the system, then everyone covered by SS could now get a pension similar to what teachers get in California.

    How sweet would that be, and how angry should the retirees who paid into SS all of those years be now?

    The state wanted to put the pensions into the general fund at one point, and that horrible, terrible, socialistic entity, the teacher's union, put a stop to it. How terrible. Why, the state could have balanced its budget without that terrible pinko commie union!

    Of course, then teaches' pensions would be much like Social Security.
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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yeah - considering that there are countless jobs that equal that same pay with *no* bachelors required - it's a tight sqeeze . . . also consider that for countless years many teachers will be paying back school loans.

    I think they're paid relatively decent in Arkansas - but low for their education and importance.
    How much does it cost for a bachelor's degree in education? You can go to a your state school for $15,000-20,000 a year. High paying jobs normally require something more then just a bacherlors. I plan on going to law school which could potentially cost $150,000 on top of my undergradute debt.
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    You can go to school for what is essentially free and come out with no debt.
    Educational debt is a non issue for teachers, they wanted to take the job and they took on the debt.

    Big freakin deal.
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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    How much does it cost for a bachelor's degree in education? You can go to a your state school for $15,000-20,000 a year. High paying jobs normally require something more then just a bacherlors. I plan on going to law school which could potentially cost $150,000 on top of my undergradute debt.
    You'd have to pay me a hell of a lot more than $42,000 a year to just baby-sit 20 kids . . . let alone try to teach them things at the same time.

    Being a teacher is a very important yet thankless and stressful job - they should paid far more than what they do.
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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    How much does it cost for a bachelor's degree in education? You can go to a your state school for $15,000-20,000 a year. High paying jobs normally require something more then just a bacherlors. I plan on going to law school which could potentially cost $150,000 on top of my undergradute debt.
    It takes more than a BA to get a teaching credential in California, and more yet to go up the salary scale to make a decent salary. Most teachers have at least an MA now.
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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You can go to school for what is essentially free and come out with no debt.
    Educational debt is a non issue for teachers, they wanted to take the job and they took on the debt.

    Big freakin deal.
    We used to be able to go to school here in Cali for practically nothing, but no more.

    Still, it isn't a big deal to those who establish teaching careers. For the half or so who put thousands into a credential, then don't make it, it is a big deal.
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