They should be higher.
They should be lower.
They should stay the same.
Teacher jobs don't advertize in the paper, at least in California. They have special websites:Don't believe teachers are overpaid? Try this: Pick up a local newspaper and look in the want ads. I DARE YOU to find ONE offer for a teaching position--anywhere, any time.
California's premiere online job search site | EDJOIN.org
What is the saying? There are lies, damn lies and statisitcs. There are many many MANY reasons why private schools have better tests scores, like more educated and more affluent families that care about education, for one. Public schools get dumped with more unmotivated and unintelligent students that are MANDATED to be at school by law... big difference to one that is open and honest about the subject. Seriously, how many private schools are being forced to teach illigal Mexican immigrants that don't speak any English?FACT: Private schools have superior teachers. Check out their test scores if you don't believe it. YET, they are paid LOWER salaries, and they are glad to get them. They are paid according to the law of supply and demand, not government mandates.
Teachers at private schools are generally less educated and less qualified (teacher credentialling programs/schooling) than public school teachers as well. Further, private schools tend to do a lot of fudging of grades... sometimes simply due to who the parents are and the money that they donate to the schools.
Perhaps, but the issue is more complicated than that...The bottom line to fix this disparity is a separation of education and state. FIRST, eliminate federal involvement, totally. Abolish the Department of Education. SECOND, eliminate state involvement and all union involvement--teachers and all other public employees. Let locals have total authority over their schools. THIRD, and finally, privatize. Sell off all public (government-run schools). Eliminate all regulations on education. Let the free market run the schools. And, of course, REPEAL all education taxes.
The Result: Superior education. Lower costs
Much earlier in this thread, I got into a discussion with another poster about teacher salaries in Illinois after asserting that someone I knew was making $160+ as a Science Teacher in a Chicago suburb. That argument included challenging the link from which I got my information to post on line. I knew this personally, but, of course, wanted to substantiate with a link -- which I did. But the link was challenged. You will see in this article that the Chicago Tribune interviewed the person who is responsible for that link.
Well, I cannot believe I missed this story in the Chicago Tribune: Illinois teacher salaries: Some educators in suburban Chicago earning more than $100,000 - chicagotribune.com -- I found it this evening after reading Letters to Editor expressing outrage at the salaries many teachers are making. Some excerpts from the article:
Highest paid teacher referenced in article above is:An extraordinary number of public school teachers in the Chicago region earned $100,000 or more in 2009, straining school budgets and taxpayer wallets and fueling the debate over what teachers are worth and how they get raises. In the affluent enclaves of Highland Park and Deerfield, almost half the teachers in Township High School District 113 took home six-figure salaries — the highest percentage in the state. In Park Ridge and Hinsdale, about 43% earned $100,000 or more, according to a Chicago Tribune salary analysis. Six-figure teacher salaries of that magnitude are rare elsewhere in Illinois and in most parts of the country.
The highest-paying districts note that they are top performers that get accolades and national rankings, and they need to be competitive to attract top teachers as parents expect. But the six-figure salaries highlight disparities that have persisted between rich and less wealthy communities in Illinois. What's more, it's clear that some districts have over-extended themselves, and are asking teachers unions to come back to the table to help contain spending in a bad economy, with mixed success.
In the Chicago region, $100,000 salaries are most common in fields ranging from algebra, biology and U.S. history to art, instrumental music and physical education.
The Tribune examined salary information for nearly 132,000 full-time Illinois teachers who worked a traditional nine- or 10-month school year in 2008-09. Salaries provided by the Illinois State Board of Education encompass all earnings, including extra stipends for coaching and sponsoring school clubs as well as retirement perks.
Among the findings:
—About 4 percent of teachers statewide earned $100,000 or more — 5,457 teachers — but the vast majority worked in the Chicago suburbs, with heavy concentrations in north Cook, DuPage and Lake counties. In all, 32 Chicago-area districts paid at least 20 percent of their teachers six figures — five times the state average.
—Districts used taxpayer dollars to pay $100,000 salaries even as they struggled with red ink. A third of districts with unusually high concentrations of teachers making six figures — at least 10 percent of teachers — posted operating deficits in 2008-09, according to state financial data.
—Six-figure teachers were unevenly distributed, with high school teachers making up 60 percent of the group — more than double their representation in the teaching force. Affluent suburban districts had the largest concentrations of six-figure teachers. Less than 1 percent of Chicago Public School teachers earned $100,000 or more in 2009.
Educators and teacher union officials defend the six-figure earnings, saying they represent a shift in thinking about the teaching profession.
Teachers used to be considered a "cheap commodity," said Thomas Ludovice, a biology and chemistry teacher at Hinsdale Central High School and a local teachers union vice president. Decades ago, he recalls teachers being paid close to the poverty line and scrambling to work summer jobs to make ends meet.
After more than 20 years in the profession, Ludovice earns six figures — but that came after spending endless hours in classes and on sports fields, he said.
Jack Roeser, whose Family Taxpayers Foundation posts Illinois teacher and administrator salaries on a Web site, said teachers "just plain don't work many days" and are already overpaid.
Teacher salaries are based on a pay scale that gives pay hikes for acquiring more years of experience, college credits and degrees. It's not unusual for teachers to get double-digit raises in one year when they can combine hikes for both education and experience. It's also common to boost pay by coaching sports teams.
A now-retired physical education teacher and longtime football coach at Addison Trail High School in DuPage County earned more than $184,000 in 2008-09 — the highest teacher salary in the Tribune's analysis. He had 35 years of teaching experience and a master's degree, all factors that boosted his salary. See this man's name and details re his pension posted below from another website.
Elsewhere, teachers in Lyons Township High School District 204 recently agreed to a partial pay freeze for 2010-11, though the pay schedule still allows for double-digit pay hikes in some circumstances. About 38 percent of the district's teachers earned salaries of $100,000 or more in 2008-09.
In Lake County's Community High School District 128, based in Vernon Hills, about 41 percent of teachers earned six figures in 2009,making the district competitive with other affluent and high-performing districts in the area, said Superintendent Prentiss Lea. My friend I spoke of in my post works in this school district.
Name Deleted -- You'll find it here: Illinois Pension Database :: Latest News :: PIONEER PRESS ::
School District--DuPage HSD 88
Salary at Retirement--$186,464.86
Age at Retirement--56
Early Retirement Incentive? No
I wish I'd had this information when we were discussing this earlier, but wanted to post it here now just FYI to the thread.
Thank you, Quazi!