View Poll Results: Should teacher salaries in your state increase, decrease of stay the same?

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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Not only should public school teachers make less. They should should make nothing. Our public schools have done more damage to the United States than all the Islamic Extremists and domestic terrorists combined. Government Schools are the worst, most expensive, least productive institution in the federal government and they should be cut loose, shamed, and condemned for the abject failure which has ruined generations of American minds. As punishment for doing such an awful job and for all the lives they've ruined (since well never be able to sue all the public school teachers), the Government ought to decline all further pensions and benefits.
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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Check out this chart of teacher salaries by state. Teacher Salaries By State | Average Salaries For Teachers | Beginning Salaries For Teachers | Teacher Raises | TeacherPortal.com

    Do you think the average teacher salary in your state should be higher, lower, or stay the same?
    Like publicly funded positions in general, teachers' salaries should be LOWER, especially considering the hideous impact of teachers' unions.

    Don't believe teachers are overpaid? Try this: Pick up a local newspaper and look in the want ads. I DARE YOU to find ONE offer for a teaching position--anywhere, any time.

    FACT: Private schools have superior teachers. Check out their test scores if you don't believe it. YET, they are paid LOWER salaries, and they are glad to get them. They are paid according to the law of supply and demand, not government mandates.

    The bottom line to fix this disparity is a separation of education and state. FIRST, eliminate federal involvement, totally. Abolish the Department of Education. SECOND, eliminate state involvement and all union involvement--teachers and all other public employees. Let locals have total authority over their schools. THIRD, and finally, privatize. Sell off all public (government-run schools). Eliminate all regulations on education. Let the free market run the schools. And, of course, REPEAL all education taxes.

    The Result: Superior education. Lower costs.

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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by Burning Giraffe View Post
    Not only should public school teachers make less. They should should make nothing. Our public schools have done more damage to the United States than all the Islamic Extremists and domestic terrorists combined. Government Schools are the worst, most expensive, least productive institution in the federal government and they should be cut loose, shamed, and condemned for the abject failure which has ruined generations of American minds. As punishment for doing such an awful job and for all the lives they've ruined (since well never be able to sue all the public school teachers), the Government ought to decline all further pensions and benefits.
    No kidding

    Especially as public schools have failed to teach the fact that public schools are not a federal government institution but a local one.
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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Given how expensive Fulton can be (either Atlanta or the suburbs) thats not much. The little town I live in gives less of a supplemental (about 2-5k depending) but cost of living here is a lot less.
    I was in the north Metro area. FYI - Atlanta is part of Fulton County, but they have their own school district and are not part of the Fulton County School system...
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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Don't believe teachers are overpaid? Try this: Pick up a local newspaper and look in the want ads. I DARE YOU to find ONE offer for a teaching position--anywhere, any time.
    I don't really understand this. Schools DO advertise for teaching positions, just not in newspapers.


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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    No kidding

    Especially as public schools have failed to teach the fact that public schools are not a federal government institution but a local one.
    Oh, but they are federal government institutions in many ways. They shouldn't be.


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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    I don't really understand this. Schools DO advertise for teaching positions, just not in newspapers.
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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    In the Chicago suburban area, teaching jobs are hard to come by right now. Most new teachers start out in Chicago Public Schools -- where there's a shortage. The CPS has many schools that are simply failing. Have two family members teaching there. The stories they tell...scarey and sad all at the same time. Police officers patrol the hallways...lockdowns every few weeks...metal detectors...gang violence...one has to wonder why they can't get rid of those kids. I'm imagining it's because of Federal/State funding on a per-pupil basis.

    The USDOE spending is budgeted at $36,276,140,000 for 2007 (K-12), a leap of an astonishing 67% since the $21,693,965,000for 2000.
    Money just isn't the answer. From 2000 to 2007, Federal spending on education went from $40 billion to $90billion. Illinois Loop: Finances and Spending

    Public schools, like every monopoly, are wasteful, full of bureaucratic overload and inefficiencies. Scrap the public school system and encourage private enterprise. Seriously, it's the only hope for our kids in the long run. Public schools are failing their charges, and we're letting them.
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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Here's how we reform public education, bring accountability to the whole system, and do away with the monopoly:

    First, you dissolve all of the attendance boundaries. Quit funding local schools by local property taxes (this already happened in California), and fund them at the state level, so much per student, the same for every school in the state.

    Next, you get rid of all of the layers of bureaucracy and send the money to the schools. The role of the state should be to accredit schools, meaning make sure that they are teaching basic subjects, and credential teachers, meaning make sure that they have the requisite training. That job shouldn't take more than one or two percent of the budget.

    Then the schools, not the state or the district, need to set standards for student performance and behavior. Any student who doesn't measure up would have to find a school with lower standards.

    It would be up to parents to find an appropriate school for their kids and to make sure that they measure up to that school's expectations. It would be up to the teachers to make sure that nearly all of their students did measure up, or lose students, revenues, and teaching positions.

    Parents who didn't pay attention to their child's learning, and kids who didn't pay attention and do their best would get what they deserve, (what they get anyway), an inferior education. Teachers who didn't cut it would be out of a job. Schools that couldn't get the job done would go the way of any other business that can't attract customers.

    It would work.
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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Here's how we reform public education, bring accountability to the whole system, and do away with the monopoly:

    First, you dissolve all of the attendance boundaries. Quit funding local schools by local property taxes (this already happened in California), and fund them at the state level, so much per student, the same for every school in the state.

    Next, you get rid of all of the layers of bureaucracy and send the money to the schools. The role of the state should be to accredit schools, meaning make sure that they are teaching basic subjects, and credential teachers, meaning make sure that they have the requisite training. That job shouldn't take more than one or two percent of the budget.

    Then the schools, not the state or the district, need to set standards for student performance and behavior. Any student who doesn't measure up would have to find a school with lower standards.

    It would be up to parents to find an appropriate school for their kids and to make sure that they measure up to that school's expectations. It would be up to the teachers to make sure that nearly all of their students did measure up, or lose students, revenues, and teaching positions.

    Parents who didn't pay attention to their child's learning, and kids who didn't pay attention and do their best would get what they deserve, (what they get anyway), an inferior education. Teachers who didn't cut it would be out of a job. Schools that couldn't get the job done would go the way of any other business that can't attract customers.

    It would work.
    Now there's a plan I can totally agree with. Well said.
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